Hey, guys..

my girlfriend wants to order one of these: [img]http://www.panasonic.de/produktneuheiten/technics_sl_dz1200/images/img_prod_large_SL_DZ1200.jpg[/img]

Does anybody already own this? How are the experiences? How do I generate a loop for the SD-card? Can I use any SD-card? What software do I need to gererate loops?

I already know that the issue on this is, that the scratching-function doesn?t work correctly, especially when "pitch-lock" is on. But who needs this anyway?

Thanx for your answers!

Re: Technics SL-DZ1200-CD-Player - Experiences?

i wouldn't go for the technics, haven't heard any good reviews of it

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for the same price, take the pioneers...

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Thanks, guys, but I already know that the opinions about the Technics are different. Some really like it, some thinking its shitty. Thats why I?m asking about own experiences, not hearsay-things...

My girlfriend, however, has already tested it for herself, and she finds that it?s good. Vinyl-like feeling and such. But she hasn?t compared the Technics to the Pio/Numark.

For the price, I could get the Technics for 700?, where the Pionieer CDJ 1000 costs, aswell as the Numark, about 900-1000?.

I hope I can find someone who can answer my questions...

Cheers!

Re: Technics SL-DZ1200-CD-Player - Experiences?

don't know the pricing of the Denon 5000's.

i heard they are better than pioneer and technics

Re: Technics SL-DZ1200-CD-Player - Experiences?

About the same as the CDJ-1000 or the techs, maybe a little bit lower...

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In 2 gigs I had to use these technics, the first time I found it very sensible for the adjustments, too much imo. I trainwrecked with that, it sucked. On the second time i was more in use with it, but still.. it was a pain, its a CDJ I dont want to see in the booths. Go for the pioneers 1000, they are very tight

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[url]http://www.wizbitwonderland.com/video/361_technics01.mov[/url]

check this video out

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[quote=Technics]Oops...:oops:[/quote]

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[quote=lmmadic][url]http://www.wizbitwonderland.com/video/361_technics01.mov[/url]

check this video out[/quote] if u scratch deff go for the technics.. btw, there's no doubt the technics have more quality! its a question of gettin used to its sensibility i think

I decided to go with them...now, ehhh kinda wished I too went with Pioneers.

Technics are VERY sensitive in terms of manipulating the platter...imo more sensitive then vinyl. Partly based on the silicone surface the platter is running under...but also I heard that there's a chance if used a lot said surface could wear out down the road...not sure if it's true, but if so, a big mistake right there.

Also, the loop capability sucks...plain and simple...I can barely get a perfect, let alone a reasonable good loop on it timing-wise.

I'd love to sell mine off and get Pioneer's, but I'll probably need to come up with another 2-300 if I do and I don't have it unfortunately.

At the same time, Technics did make some fairly nice features available, but IMO after the others came out, they had a chance to up the ante and compete heavily in the market, but dropped the ball on it.

I'll agree with FiFrota as well, I doubt you'll ever see these in many DJ booths.

PS..I've also used the CDJ-1000's as well...

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Thanks, lads, for your replies :)

So here are my experiences with the Technics 1200?s:

My girlfriend ordered hers, in mind that she would have the european right for sending it back within 2 weeks if she dislikes it.

1. handling: She could easely work with it, but like FM already sayd, it is very sensitive to handle.

2. loops: To build a perfect loop was almost impossible (for us). Editing the saved loops is a pain in the ass...

3. Pitch-Lock ("Mastertempo"): My gal often uses "older" prog/psy-trance-songs, but slowed down from originally ~142 BPM to about 128BPM. The sound gets more intense, sometimes techno-like. With the "pitch-lock"-function the sound don?t gets boring when its pitched down. -> Unfortunately that thing doesn?t work correctly. When slowed down, some strange effects have been hearable, like "doubling" the kick-drum and such. This function is surely unusable :(

4. SD-card: To use the PC for building loops, samples, etc. is only possible, if one buys that "SD-set" from Technics, which contains a special card-reader (for the special file-system of Technics) together with a special software, all in all about ~90?. Again this is a useless thing...

So, now we are about to send that thing back to sender, we are ordering a Pioneer CDJ800. My gal has had the chance to work with a pair of them, and she told me it would be much easier to handle. The price for the 800?s is about 550?, which is cheap in my eyes. And the "pitch-lock" is working correctly..... ;)

if anyone is interested in the demonstration-video of the Pioneer 800?s: here ya go (Windows Media): [url]http://www.djsounds.com/videos/cdj-800_broad.asx[/url] (That dude is awesome... :shock:

[img]http://www.pioneer.de/images/products/cdplayerdj/pioneer/1040384285079cdj_800_detailpage.jpg[/img]

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I have a pair of the 800s and I love 'em...

Re: Technics SL-DZ1200-CD-Player - Experiences?

i benn using this one and it's quite nice ... but if U have choice take CDJ 1000 i think for even CDT 800 would be better than technics

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Thanks the photo!I like it!This is a great machine!!

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[quote=Andrzej]i benn using this one and it's quite nice ... but if U have choice take CDJ 1000 i think for even CDT 800 would be better than technics[/quote]

I couldn?t see many differences between the Pioneer 800 and the 1000..

The 1000 has got some effects, for those who need it... But the usability seems to be the same, scratching, mastertempo, looping.

But if someone can point out some more advantages of the 1000, then I may think about it... ;)

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the cdj 800 doesnt give you the track name in the read out or the wave form right?

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[quote=FiFrota]if u scratch deff go for the technics.. btw, there's no doubt the technics have more quality! its a question of gettin used to its sensibility i think[/quote]

dont you mean "sensitivity"?

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[quote=unome]the cdj 800 doesnt give you the track name in the read out or the wave form right?[/quote] The cdj800 doesn?t show any thing except time/track-number. It can also not handle mp3-cds. But it?s very nice to mix with it, best thing is the auto-loop-function. By pressing the button "4", from the next beat a "4-beat-loop" is autmatically generated and played endlessly, until you press the "exit" button. That function works from 1 to 8 beats perfectly.

One bad thing is, that like the sz1200 from technics, the "master-tempo" is fucking up when the bpm goes under approx. 128. I don?t know why this happens, but it appears with original CDs aswell as with burned ones. But I can live with that..

Greets, Chatter

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Oh man...all those pics look great. I hope I can make enough money to set those baby's up someday. It'll be a blast~!

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That pisses me off, you'd think they would include the auto loop function on the 1000. Fucking pain setting up loops on the 1000 (relatively speaking).

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imo......

[IMG]http://bergendigital.com/img/cdj200.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Chatterbot]I couldn?t see many differences between the Pioneer 800 and the 1000..

The 1000 has got some effects, for those who need it... But the usability seems to be the same, scratching, mastertempo, looping.

But if someone can point out some more advantages of the 1000, then I may think about it... ;)[/quote]

the cdj1000 has effects? not on any i have seen.

my mate has two cdj1000 mk2, and i have cdj 800.

pros and cons to both.

the 1000 has the wave form and track name, the 800 doesnt.

the 800 has the 1, 2, 4, 8 beat auto loop which i love, plus the loop in and loop out buttons still to make your own loop, in which the 1, 2, 4, 8 buttons chop it up automatically for you.

the 1000 has +/ - 10, 16, 25, 100 where as the 800 just has 10,100 (which works for me)

and the cue and hot points on the 1000 are beneficial.. but for the price difference the cdj800 reacts and serves its purpose just as good as a 1000.

i also bought a numark cdx had it for two days and took it back.. couldnt stand it. but i am just used to the cdj's. i have heard great reviews on the numark which is why i gave it a shot.