[ms] · Est. May 2002
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Watched this the other night on HBO.....
quite possibly one of the worst docs. I've ever seen.
I understand it was trying to show you the how Kurt lived his life but man, I honestly wanted to kill myself after watching it. And when Courtney Love makes her 1st appearance on it and starts talking, then you realize why Kurt killed himself
Root cannel work is more intriguing then this documentary
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wow, that's really too bad. Was it just poorly edited? Uninteresting? Or clearly created by people who didn't really know what they were doing? I was a big fan, but after about 25 I completely stopped listening to Nirvana, just too many so-so memories during my life at that time, if that makes sense. But I still enjoy the unplugged album and a few songs from Bleach i suppose. Actually a couple from Incesticide too. I guess the truth is, once a Nirvana fan, always a Nirvana fan, because they really were unparalleled in so many ways. But Courtney Love was and is batshit crazy, too bad for Kurt, she's the last person he needed in his life prolly.
Respect and RIP.
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The doc is just one trainwreck from start to finish. soo many cringe worthy moments with some of these home movies that are added in to it. No one wants to see Courtney Love with Herpes all over her face make out with a Heroin addict. Maybe if I was on acid, I would actually enjoy it.
There are some interesting parts and then it builds up but then it goes right back the shitter
I will always respect Kurt as a musician and Nirvana as a band because lets face it, they really are the last band to come along revolutionize music...
But this documentary almost makes me ashamed to say that I was Nirvana fan
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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1162927] I was a big fan, but after about 25 I completely stopped listening to Nirvana... [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=floridaorange;1162927] But I still enjoy the unplugged album and a few songs from Bleach i suppose. Actually a couple from Incesticide too. I guess the truth is, once a Nirvana fan, always a Nirvana fan...[/QUOTE]
well you just did a complete 180, didn't ya? :lol:
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What I meant was, if I hear the Unplugged album I enjoy it, but I don't intentionally play it or seek it out. I've been super busy lately and just typing as quickly as possible and getting back to work. Makes for some pretty disjointed posts, but fuck it.
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Speaking about documentaries, "About A Boy" is touching and disturbing. It's a montage of audio tapes of Kurt's voice, retelling all his life from the beginning.
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that's the one I've seen. it is heavy stuff.
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ironically, the guy on the Lithium channel on XM radio was talking about the documentary this morning and of course he loves it (I have not seen it so I won't pass judgment). amusingly, he said "if you don't respect courtney love then you are disrespecting kurt cobain because he was in love with her."
so i'm here to tell you da hype... you don't respect kurt, man. :lol:
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[QUOTE=Garrick;1163056]"if you don't respect courtney love then you are disrespecting kurt cobain because he was in love with her." [/QUOTE]
disagree :lol:
doubtful he cares now anyway
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That's funny. I mentioned this doco to the gf and she went, fuck that depressing shit.
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btw - listening to these^ has reignited my love for this band :lol:
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ok, I just finished watching this and I did not think it was that bad. I have seen much worse. I guess my only compliant would there stealing another dime from an already drained cow. Let him live in peace. Nirvana will always be one of my favorite bands. I was lucky enough I got to witness the raise and fall of the last great rock band to change music. People can say what they want about Nirvana or Kurt but were would you be if they never got popular. I am not one of those people to get pissy about saying you dislike there music or even this film. Its art and everyone has there own opinion about it.
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[QUOTE] there stealing another dime from an already drained cow. Let him live in peace[/QUOTE]
Well said.
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I have not heard a Nirvana album (but have obviously heard their well known singles), nor is it the type of music I would normally listen to. But I have a genuine question - how did they revolutionise music? I hear so many people say this, and they are very well respected so I'm genuinely interested.
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Nah, no serious critic would ever say that. Great creativity, heart in the right place and great song-writing from Kurt. The revolution only lasted a few years, then Britney Spears and the Backsteet Boys took over.
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[QUOTE=GregWhelan;1164849]I have not heard a Nirvana album (but have obviously heard their well known singles), nor is it the type of music I would normally listen to. But I have a genuine question - how did they revolutionise music? I hear so many people say this, and they are very well respected so I'm genuinely interested.[/QUOTE]
They changed music in the sense that everyone was trying to emulate the sound that they had made their own - tons of people tried to copy their formula softly sung verses that transitioned into heavy, distortion layered chorus, abstract lyrics and melancholy worldview. They took elements of rock, punk and heavy metal and made it into a genre of it's own - and the markets took this and ran with it.
It helped revitalized rock music and founded the genre of "Alternative" (which, like the marketed term of "Electronica" covered an enormous amount of ground) and put Seattle on the map as far as musical talent to be mined went.
When I was in my late years in high school, that's when Nirvana blew up - but I got a sense that it was a bit of a reaction towards how dominant Hip Hop was in the early 90's and how rock music was being declared dead. Whenever a genre is being declared as being on it's last legs is usually a sign that there's a blind spot towards the artists and musicians that are still believers in the genre and are trying to do something new.
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So Radiohead and The Smashing Pumpkins just stole the magic formula from Nirvana. I have to say that is a bit disappointing.
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[QUOTE=GregWhelan;1164849]I have not heard a Nirvana album (but have obviously heard their well known singles), nor is it the type of music I would normally listen to. But I have a genuine question - how did they revolutionise music? I hear so many people say this, and they are very well respected so I'm genuinely interested.[/QUOTE]
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They also used many elements of "Pop" along with "Punk" and "Rock" and that hadn't been done before in the States at least, along with Kurt's voice being amazing. They never set out to be big, so when fame came and they genuinely rejected it (not doing interviews,etc) , people became obsessed.
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I don't think they were revolutionary. Pop, rock and punk? You're havin a larf.
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ok, I respect everyone opinions. Jane's addiction created alternative music and most people say that Nirvana stole the soft and quite sound from the pixies or sonic youth. I can agree with this some what but not really. I do agree I think they filled a void that was not in music at the time. They created a hybrid of sound no other band was able to do at the time in the 90's You have to remember that at the time hair metal was still popular and cheesy pop music as well. Nirvana brought an edginess back to music by not wanting to be famous and not wanting to be the next big thing. But I think the thing that set Nirvana apart from the other bands was that fact Kurt was a very good song writer and was able to capture a moment. Smells like teen spirit was just one of those songs everyone could relate to at the time. Its kind like Stairway to Heaven. Once you hear the first riff you know what song it is. Its hard to explain unless you seen it happen. I can see how people think they were just another rock band and their were better songs at the time. Kids were ready for a change and Nirvana was at the right spot at the right time. Can't explain it but it just worked. Its kind like the Doors or Hendrix, it was the right music for the time.
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Kurt (and Krist) meant it. That's it.
From the mid to late 80s they loved and played punk.
It's important to note that Nevermind was also the work of Butch Vig and, unfortunately, Geffen Records. It wasn't just a hit. It sold millions. Try and stay yourself when something like that happens to you.
So judging Nirvana and Kurt Cobain by Nevermind (as most people do) is totally unfair.
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bleach was/is my favorite
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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1164981]bleach was/is my favorite[/QUOTE]
:RightOn:
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Cobain's closest friend since childhood (I forget his name) reported this documentary is 90% bs. He also said Kurt would fabricate untrue stories for the media all the time because he disliked doing interviews so much.
I'll see if I can find the article if anyone is interested.
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The guy from Melvins: [url="http://www.factmag.com/2015/06/08/kurt-cobain-montage-heck-documentary-90-bullshit-melvins/"]Buzz Osborne says Kurt Cobain documentary is [/url]
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Your pain is not a jacket that you can stop wearing, it's not a stone that you can stop carrying.
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Pain is real. Kurt wasn't playing a character.
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I liked this documentary it gave me a different insight of who Kurt was. Almost the whole documentary is shot with kurts voiceovers and intimate footage of him and his family, You can't get more real than that I think.
I think what made him great is that he was able to pour his physical and emotional pain into his music while developing a new sound. To have the ability to express what you feel and connect with millions of others without any intention of being a mega rockstar is what makes him genuine.
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[QUOTE=Haziel;1165479] he was able to pour his physical and emotional pain into his music while developing a new sound. To have the ability to express what you feel and connect with millions of others without any intention of being a mega rockstar is what makes him genuine.[/QUOTE]
100% well put man