Re: FUCK YOU GEORGE LUCAS!!!

enough already...the movie is great

star wars rules...end of story

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[quote=Localizer]and monk, if you're going to continually be an ass about this whole thing, I suggest you leave the boards for a while or we'll be happy to find a mod that can assist you with that process.[/quote]

Don't worry, my mouth is shut on this topic.

But I think threatening to ban someone from a board simply for being obnoxious about a movie is slightly melodramatic. I would ban the brainworms guy first for churning people's stomach--that's much worse than a few insults!

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[quote=BSully828]themonk =

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Worst post ever! :lol:

Sorry, I guess my reply to themonk reads a bit more aggressively than I intended. Hence the oh-so-insightful "fucking twit" and "shovels of horseshit" comments. I just get aggrivated at people who seem to enjoy trashing the movies. I know people who were doing it long before ROTS was even released. And they just set themselves up to hate the movie. While you may not be the same as them, your comments are. I mean, do you really think calling it "the biggest heap of shit to ever hit the big screen" is fair? Comments like that make it hard to take anything you say seriously. That why the comparison to Comic Book Guy is so funny. Don't take it personally. :)

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Honestly, haven't seen it yet, but the first two were pretty lame, this one looks a little better. I just got pissed off when the treehugging hollywood types were already comparing America's current political administration to the rise of the evil empire, before the movie even released. I swear, hollywood will find anything to attach their skewed veiw of the world to. Generally, I'm just sick of entertainment always having to infer some underlying political meaning, and Hollywood expecting the rest of the world to agree with them. As far as I'm concerned, the life of hollywood is about as real as an Emperial star fighter.

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[quote=themonk]Nothing is consistent. For example, in the first Star Wars, R2D2 has to be lifted up into Luke's fighter by a fucking crane, for chrissakes. But in the clones, what is he? He's the goddamn chosen droid straight out of the Matrix. He can fly and is basically invincible. There is also no continuity between what CP30 experiences in these first movies and remembers in the old movies.

Or how about the fact that in the original Obi Wan says he hid Luke on Tatoouin at a remote edge of the galaxy to hide him from Vader? But in Clones, we have Vader going to the exact same house Luke supposedly gets hidden in!! Now there's a good place to hide someone.

I could go on for fucking hours, but the exercise is a pointless one. A story is something that grips your attention. The first movie was a long car chase and some silliness about embargos and conspiracies. There's simply nothing there but exposition.[/quote]

Boy oh boy...where to start. Ok, it's like this man, there is more that happens in between these movies than could be conveyed in months of film. To put it in the most understandable terms possible, and not get you lost in a bunch of geeky side story, I'll tell you this...R2...are you ready...had his rockets....brace yourself....[b]removed[/b]. There wasn't that simple. Before you get on the Internet and start slamming the man who's mind this all sprung from, do a little research first. There are no less than 50 books that fill in the back story between, and up to 100 years after, both trilogies.

As for Obi-Won hiding Luke in the same place he was in, are you forgetting that young Anakin lived not 20 parsecs (I [b]KILL[/b] myself :CrackUp:) from that very place. Why would he think to look on his home planet for a son he doesn't even know exists yet??? Plus, I think you are vastly underestimating the effect that the Dark Side has on somone. He probably remembers very little of his life before converting. Remember this is his step brother and his wife that they leave baby Luke with, the only time he met them was when he was completely consumed in grief over the death of his mother. Come on man, you gotta give a little.

With all of that said, can you still say some bullshit about the storyline??? Sounds like a story to me...a pretty damn good one. George Lucas cannot be held responsible for your lack of knowledge about his story...so don't take it out in him. Realize that this story could never be conveyed in 3, 6 or 600 movies.

Thank you, good night.

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hi lopark, my comments about worst movie apply only to the phanton menace. i have not even seen part 3, so i have no idea what part 3 is like. it seems everybody thinks its vastly better than the first 2, which is a relief.

for phanton menace, i'll tone down my words to: "the worst movie i've ever paid money to see in a theatre".

the strange thing to me is how many people on this board seemed to like the first two movies. i'm removed from the states (live in japan) and i don't know ONE person here who liked episodes 1 and 2. but i do know one huge fanboy who saw the orginal star wars dozens of times. he said phanton menance was so painful for him to watch that he almost started to cry in the movie theatre!

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OMG episode 3 is worse than BOTH the 1st and 2nd one. The acting is horrendous and the story of anakin turning to vader has been so GROSSLY put together that ive completely lost faith in all of it.

Lucas should just make Star Wars creative commons material or something so that anybody can make a story/movie/comic/game in its universe.

He's screwed it up pretty bad. :(

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[quote=themonk]the strange thing to me is how many people on this board seemed to like the first two movies. i'm removed from the states (live in japan) and i don't know ONE person here who liked episodes 1 and 2. but i do know one huge fanboy who saw the orginal star wars dozens of times. he said phanton menance was so painful for him to watch that he almost started to cry in the movie theatre![/quote]

And what...being "in the States" has what to do with what is and isn't a good movie ??? We should all just fall in line and accept that what we think are good movies are complete shit because you and the people you know say so?? :roll: Take it from someone who grew up with Star Wars first hand, these movies live on their own in the Star Wars universe, they are not meant to be like or resemble the first trilogy what so ever. Accept it and move on with your life. I for one love them all, I'm a [b]Star Wars fan[/b], not a "critique every movie to death to the point were everything sucks" person. Live with it...

Re: Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

someone should move this to Politics :roll:

or Movies/TV, at least

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[quote=themonk][quote]instead of calling people stupid, please just prove the claims of a defunct storyline.[/quote]

Nothing is consistent. For example, in the first Star Wars, R2D2 has to be lifted up into Luke's fighter by a fucking crane, for chrissakes. But in the clones, what is he? He's the goddamn chosen droid straight out of the Matrix. He can fly and is basically invincible. There is also no continuity between what CP30 experiences in these first movies and remembers in the old movies.

Or how about the fact that in the original Obi Wan says he hid Luke on Tatoouin at a remote edge of the galaxy to hide him from Vader? But in Clones, we have Vader going to the exact same house Luke supposedly gets hidden in!! Now there's a good place to hide someone.

I could go on for fucking hours, but the exercise is a pointless one. A story is something that grips your attention. The first movie was a long car chase and some silliness about embargos and conspiracies. There's simply nothing there but exposition.[/quote]

my friend made a good point on this ..in E 4 R2 And C3PO are obsolete droids , nothing really works on them anymore....

as far as saber colors only being red and green...anakin and ben had blue ones on E3...

mithocndrians ..yes stupid

the qua gon (sp) knowing inmortality.. WTF were did that come from.. sidious talks about another lord of sith knowing about imortality as well ... i think they are tying in E7 were supodsedly the emperor comes back to life...

as far as O B ONE furthering his training with quai gon on tatooine... there is no mention of quai in E4 ..ben is suposed top be a hermit.....

i didn't like that the ships were all incredible in EI II and in 3 they toned it down just to match the rest of the episodes, but again my friend made a good point ...the rebellion is that a rebellion..almost guerrilla style... not too much money and they get what they get ....

the wooie war should have been longer..

the love scenes were weak, but who goes to see star wars for the love scenes ?

i thik the fight between anakin and dooku was made short so it would be shocking..i was

anyway

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[quote=lopark] SPOILER ALERT

The beginning Battle of Coruscant was great, but when Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Palpatine were in the elevator, it slowed down. At the same time, I thought R2 brought a bit too much comedic relief to the table with his fight with the battle droids.

The duel with Count Dooku was too short. He whipped Anakin's and Obi's asses last time. I can buy the part about Anakin being more powerful this time, but I guess this one fell short in the editing room. Same thing for General Grievous. When he whipped out 4 lightsabers, I though it would be a good duel, but Obi trimmed him down a little too quickly.

The "Order 66" scenes were awesome, but I wish the preceding battle scenes would have been longer. Chewbacca and the other Wookies on Kashyyyk were not much more than a cameo.

Anakin's turn was a bit rushed, but again this was probably due to cut footage. I would have liked to see him attacking the Jedi Temple, not just march to it for a scene change.

I read about a lot of character who were supposed to have cameos, but were missing. Where was Tarkin? Where was Lord Tion? Mon Mothma, etc?

Why didn't we see a more detailed explaination of Qui-Gon Jinn's "immortality." And I just thought of this, if it were a technique that only Qui-Gon, Yoda, and Obi-Wan knew, how the hell does Anakin do it at the end of Jedi?

However, the most disappointing was the lack of Vader. I like how Anakin became Darth Vader before his defeat by Obi-Wan and I liked the scene of Vader's rebirth, but I wish the "mostly machine" Vader had more screen time.

Despite my criticism, I still liked the film. It wasn't perfect, but it is definitely worthly of being called "Star Wars."

I gather most of the people who are crying over it are in fact the biggest fanboys of all. They have their own ideas about how Star Wars should be and when things differ, they cry "this sucks" and talk about boycotts and other pointless shit in the belief that it will somehow force Lucas to give in to their mostly un-named demands. Perhaps, they're really not fans at all.[/quote] dude, i can't believe you just did that.... total spoiler!!! anyway, i liked the movie. i agree the acting sucked. esp natalie portman. actually given what there was of the script, i thought hayden christensen and ian mcgregor did a great job giving their characters some life. i left the theaters weeping for the fall of anikan. as for the action vs dialogue thing...i think by this movie, lucas knew he was weak in the dialogue department and cut those scenes short. true it didn't help the progression of the characters because, as was stated, anikan's turn to the dark side happened way too quickly. but he was trying to save us from having to watch more unbelieveable lines that would have never worked anyway right? the highlight of these movies were supposed to be the special effects. lucas didn't make these movies 30 years ago because he didn't think the technology then would have been able to portray what he had in mind. now that it has, he is taking full advantage of it. good for him. i liked it. i thought the story was great and finally fully told and i'm glad he made them.

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[quote=devon][quote=the sun the sea][quote=Localizer]and wtf at samuel having a purple lightsabre....retarded....[/quote]

are you serious? was he eating chicken wings and watermelon? was he washing it back with a Colt 45? :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]

the real reson he has a purple light saber is because he asked for it. he told george lucas he wanted a purple light saber because he likes the color and george gave it to him.

i know im a geek[/quote]

i saw an interview where he said something along those lines and that he wanted to be able to pick himself out in the large fight scenes easily :lol:

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[quote=minneec][quote=lopark] SPOILER ALERT[/quote] dude, i can't believe you just did that.... total spoiler!!![/quote]

False teeth are not real.

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Star Wars rules, George Lucas is a genious, and Episode 3 rules...

LIVE WITH IT!!! :twisted:

Re: Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

What he said. 8)

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[quote=evangelion][quote=themonk]Nothing is consistent. For example, in the first Star Wars, R2D2 has to be lifted up into Luke's fighter by a fucking crane, for chrissakes. But in the clones, what is he? He's the goddamn chosen droid straight out of the Matrix. He can fly and is basically invincible. There is also no continuity between what CP30 experiences in these first movies and remembers in the old movies.

Or how about the fact that in the original Obi Wan says he hid Luke on Tatoouin at a remote edge of the galaxy to hide him from Vader? But in Clones, we have Vader going to the exact same house Luke supposedly gets hidden in!! Now there's a good place to hide someone.

I could go on for fucking hours, but the exercise is a pointless one. A story is something that grips your attention. The first movie was a long car chase and some silliness about embargos and conspiracies. There's simply nothing there but exposition.[/quote]

Boy oh boy...where to start. Ok, it's like this man, there is more that happens in between these movies than could be conveyed in months of film. To put it in the most understandable terms possible, and not get you lost in a bunch of geeky side story, I'll tell you this...R2...are you ready...had his rockets....brace yourself....[b]removed[/b]. There wasn't that simple. Before you get on the Internet and start slamming the man who's mind this all sprung from, do a little research first. There are no less than 50 books that fill in the back story between, and up to 100 years after, both trilogies.

As for Obi-Won hiding Luke in the same place he was in, are you forgetting that young Anakin lived not 20 parsecs (I [b]KILL[/b] myself :CrackUp:) from that very place. Why would he think to look on his home planet for a son he doesn't even know exists yet??? Plus, I think you are vastly underestimating the effect that the Dark Side has on somone. He probably remembers very little of his life before converting. Remember this is his step brother and his wife that they leave baby Luke with, the only time he met them was when he was completely consumed in grief over the death of his mother. Come on man, you gotta give a little.

With all of that said, can you still say some bullshit about the storyline??? Sounds like a story to me...a pretty damn good one. George Lucas cannot be held responsible for your lack of knowledge about his story...so don't take it out in him. Realize that this story could never be conveyed in 3, 6 or 600 movies.

Thank you, good night.[/quote]

But the fact that Artoo's jets were removed is never explained in any movie; hence, that fact doesn't exist to one faced with the only true representation of the Star Wars universe, the movies. Most if not all of the books you mention are not considered "canon" by Lucas, so they don't play into his version of the story.

I think the whole reason that the newer trilogy is such a touchy subject is that it is replacing pre-conceived notions about the earlier movies we all had at one time. While some folks watch/remember the movies for the special effects, others liked them for the entire package that was presented. Not only were the special effects state of the art in the old films, the music was grade A, the cast was directed properly, the stories were novel and fun. All in all, the originals just has this synergistic magic to them. To some (or many), the new films lack this energy., This could be for a number of reasons, probably a little bit of all of them:

1. We're older now, so whiz-bang just doesn't cut it in place of good dialogue, direction, plot twists, etc.
2. The newer movies are not quite so expertly crafted as the originals, partly because of limiting factors that guided Lucas and his team serendipitously onto the right track. Because of computing technology and money?and thus infinite choices?such guiding forces are eliminated and we are left with Lucas's true "vision" which we were not really seeing before.
3. Several other movies, like the previously mentioned Matrix or the recent Lord of the Rings films, have replaced Star Wars as the premiere science fiction/fantasy movies of this generation. Star Wars did not orginally have other movies that compared to it; it was alone in its genre. Now it's up against other worthy frachises that heighten public expectation.
4. No Harrison Ford.

The above are some big reasons that most reasonable people should agree with. Here are some of my own observations about the newer movies. This is purely opinion; a lot of this is how my pre-conceived ideas of how these movies would turn out, based on what is in the first three, are different from what we actually got:

-Feel of entire trilogy not late 70s/early 80s enough! -Special effects too clean; they don't match the original, so they don't suggest continuity with it. -Special effects design doesn't match original. Space ships, weapons do not fit with established milieu. Too much differece to chalk up to 20 years in a thousand-year-old republic. Should have used X-wings and TIEs from the beginning. -Space battles too dense; no focus to shots. -"Clone Wars" should have been about much more interesting subject of cloning Jedi, others, as opposed to soldiers. As is, clones reduced to a deus ex machina. -"Trade Fedration" sounds too much like Star Trek. Too difficult to understand/not explained well enough. Wouldn't smugglers be able to circumvent?? -Jar Jar Binks, other CG characters don't move like masks/puppets, need to eliminated. Masks that are used look fake due to over-reliance on CGI. -Plot of first movie just not engaging. Should not have gone back to Tatooine, which is already a focal point of two other movies. -Battle droids not challenging as enemies, so not scary, so no drama. Droids look and sound not Star Wars-like. Should have been soldiers, or should have been more cruel and heartless. -Jke Lloyd terrible actor, too young. Should have cast Skywalker as a teenager from the get-go. -C3PO wasn't made by Anakin Skywalker. I just don't buy it! -Actually, C3PO and R2D2 should not have been in prequels at all; their appearance in the prequels makes the universe too small. -Sam Jackson just doesn't fit as a Jedi. Try an unknown, preferably ten years older. And purple lightsaber my ass. -Revelation of Yoda in ESB spoiled by Yoda's appearance in prequels; should have alluded to Yoda, not shown him. -Midichlorians take mystery out of mystic Force. Stupid! -Darth Maul not scary inasmuchas he's too obviously a bad guy whose supposed to look evil. Devil-like paint dumb. Wasted character obviously in place simply to give the Jedi somone to fight with their lightsabers; no loss/gain by his death, because of no significance to his character. -Lightsaber duel in PM staged-looking, doesn't have suspense of a real and random fight. Lighting on sets wrong, looks immature. Should be no music during lightsaber battle until battle becomes pivotal. "Duel of the Fates" music extraordinarily commercial sounding; does not match other Williams music. -Jedis always in jedi robes, never in other clothes? Why? Why not flight suits, formal clothes, etc. Unrealistic. -Anakin whiny brat instead of generally good kid with strong ambitions. -Anakin and Obi-Wan not shown developing brotherly bond, but only alluded too. Crucial dramatic exposition glossed over. -Giant "I am your father" balloon popped by foreknowledge that Anakin Skywalker becomes Darth Vader; should have "killed off" Anakin and made it look like he and Darth Vader were two different people. -Jedi "younglings" look moronic. Idiotic decision to have Jedi "padawan" all have same look. The word "padawan" cringe-worthy. Jedi training should have started at something like 13 or 14, not 6. -Multi-culti Jedi looks forced; too much of a rainbow. -Boba Fett's mysterious edge wiped out by background in AOTC. Cool character turned into just another face. No connection between Boba and Darth established even though one suggested in ESB, "no disintegrations" not explained. -Precursors to the imperial navy officers not shown until the very end of the third movie. Should have seen same costumes being used in context of republic navy. -Battle in the end of AOTC between Jedi and droids looks terrible; lightsaber loses significance when given to too many characters at once. Again droids not formidable opponent. Technology shown in ground assault afterwards (and throughout entire prequel trilogy) more advanced than that of later movies; continuity violated, should be lower tech. -Yoda, who already should not appear in the prequels, should not fight with a lightsaber; violation of character. The same goes for the emperor. -Force-lightning should be exclusive to the emperor; force lightning cheapened by Dooku, spoils surprise of emperor's power in RotJ. -Darth Vader should have been in the suit and established by the end of the second movie. The destruction of the Jedi should have taken longer. Here would be a good place to create a connection between Boba and Darth.

I can't think of any others right now, but there are more...

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good points!

hey but the conection between bobba and darth is stablished ..all the clones are modeled after bobbas father... jango..that's a strong conection if you ask me....

but yes technology should have been lowered... as far as r2 and c3po, they do mention that they are obsolete droids, but yes they added stuff to r2 to make him apealing.. i know some didn't like r2's fight scene because it was too comedic, but i thought it was great!

yoda and the emperor using light sabers..we'll they should be the masters of light saber battle, so i say let them use them

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[quote=sammwalk][quote=evangelion][quote=themonk]Nothing is consistent. For example, in the first Star Wars, R2D2 has to be lifted up into Luke's fighter by a fucking crane, for chrissakes. But in the clones, what is he? He's the goddamn chosen droid straight out of the Matrix. He can fly and is basically invincible. There is also no continuity between what CP30 experiences in these first movies and remembers in the old movies.

Or how about the fact that in the original Obi Wan says he hid Luke on Tatoouin at a remote edge of the galaxy to hide him from Vader? But in Clones, we have Vader going to the exact same house Luke supposedly gets hidden in!! Now there's a good place to hide someone.

I could go on for fucking hours, but the exercise is a pointless one. A story is something that grips your attention. The first movie was a long car chase and some silliness about embargos and conspiracies. There's simply nothing there but exposition.[/quote]

Boy oh boy...where to start. Ok, it's like this man, there is more that happens in between these movies than could be conveyed in months of film. To put it in the most understandable terms possible, and not get you lost in a bunch of geeky side story, I'll tell you this...R2...are you ready...had his rockets....brace yourself....[b]removed[/b]. There wasn't that simple. Before you get on the Internet and start slamming the man who's mind this all sprung from, do a little research first. There are no less than 50 books that fill in the back story between, and up to 100 years after, both trilogies.

As for Obi-Won hiding Luke in the same place he was in, are you forgetting that young Anakin lived not 20 parsecs (I [b]KILL[/b] myself :CrackUp:) from that very place. Why would he think to look on his home planet for a son he doesn't even know exists yet??? Plus, I think you are vastly underestimating the effect that the Dark Side has on somone. He probably remembers very little of his life before converting. Remember this is his step brother and his wife that they leave baby Luke with, the only time he met them was when he was completely consumed in grief over the death of his mother. Come on man, you gotta give a little.

With all of that said, can you still say some bullshit about the storyline??? Sounds like a story to me...a pretty damn good one. George Lucas cannot be held responsible for your lack of knowledge about his story...so don't take it out in him. Realize that this story could never be conveyed in 3, 6 or 600 movies.

Thank you, good night.[/quote]

But the fact that Artoo's jets were removed is never explained in any movie; hence, that fact doesn't exist to one faced with the only true representation of the Star Wars universe, the movies. Most if not all of the books you mention are not considered "canon" by Lucas, so they don't play into his version of the story.

I think the whole reason that the newer trilogy is such a touchy subject is that it is replacing pre-conceived notions about the earlier movies we all had at one time. While some folks watch/remember the movies for the special effects, others liked them for the entire package that was presented. Not only were the special effects state of the art in the old films, the music was grade A, the cast was directed properly, the stories were novel and fun. All in all, the originals just has this synergistic magic to them. To some (or many), the new films lack this energy., This could be for a number of reasons, probably a little bit of all of them:

1. We're older now, so whiz-bang just doesn't cut it in place of good dialogue, direction, plot twists, etc.
2. The newer movies are not quite so expertly crafted as the originals, partly because of limiting factors that guided Lucas and his team serendipitously onto the right track. Because of computing technology and money?and thus infinite choices?such guiding forces are eliminated and we are left with Lucas's true "vision" which we were not really seeing before.
3. Several other movies, like the previously mentioned Matrix or the recent Lord of the Rings films, have replaced Star Wars as the premiere science fiction/fantasy movies of this generation. Star Wars did not orginally have other movies that compared to it; it was alone in its genre. Now it's up against other worthy frachises that heighten public expectation.
4. No Harrison Ford.

The above are some big reasons that most reasonable people should agree with. Here are some of my own observations about the newer movies. This is purely opinion; a lot of this is how my pre-conceived ideas of how these movies would turn out, based on what is in the first three, are different from what we actually got:

-Feel of entire trilogy not late 70s/early 80s enough! -Special effects too clean; they don't match the original, so they don't suggest continuity with it. -Special effects design doesn't match original. Space ships, weapons do not fit with established milieu. Too much differece to chalk up to 20 years in a thousand-year-old republic. Should have used X-wings and TIEs from the beginning. -Space battles too dense; no focus to shots. -"Clone Wars" should have been about much more interesting subject of cloning Jedi, others, as opposed to soldiers. As is, clones reduced to a deus ex machina. -"Trade Fedration" sounds too much like Star Trek. Too difficult to understand/not explained well enough. Wouldn't smugglers be able to circumvent?? -Jar Jar Binks, other CG characters don't move like masks/puppets, need to eliminated. Masks that are used look fake due to over-reliance on CGI. -Plot of first movie just not engaging. Should not have gone back to Tatooine, which is already a focal point of two other movies. -Battle droids not challenging as enemies, so not scary, so no drama. Droids look and sound not Star Wars-like. Should have been soldiers, or should have been more cruel and heartless. -Jke Lloyd terrible actor, too young. Should have cast Skywalker as a teenager from the get-go. -C3PO wasn't made by Anakin Skywalker. I just don't buy it! -Actually, C3PO and R2D2 should not have been in prequels at all; their appearance in the prequels makes the universe too small. -Sam Jackson just doesn't fit as a Jedi. Try an unknown, preferably ten years older. And purple lightsaber my ass. -Revelation of Yoda in ESB spoiled by Yoda's appearance in prequels; should have alluded to Yoda, not shown him. -Midichlorians take mystery out of mystic Force. Stupid! -Darth Maul not scary inasmuchas he's too obviously a bad guy whose supposed to look evil. Devil-like paint dumb. Wasted character obviously in place simply to give the Jedi somone to fight with their lightsabers; no loss/gain by his death, because of no significance to his character. -Lightsaber duel in PM staged-looking, doesn't have suspense of a real and random fight. Lighting on sets wrong, looks immature. Should be no music during lightsaber battle until battle becomes pivotal. "Duel of the Fates" music extraordinarily commercial sounding; does not match other Williams music. -Jedis always in jedi robes, never in other clothes? Why? Why not flight suits, formal clothes, etc. Unrealistic. -Anakin whiny brat instead of generally good kid with strong ambitions. -Anakin and Obi-Wan not shown developing brotherly bond, but only alluded too. Crucial dramatic exposition glossed over. -Giant "I am your father" balloon popped by foreknowledge that Anakin Skywalker becomes Darth Vader; should have "killed off" Anakin and made it look like he and Darth Vader were two different people. -Jedi "younglings" look moronic. Idiotic decision to have Jedi "padawan" all have same look. The word "padawan" cringe-worthy. Jedi training should have started at something like 13 or 14, not 6. -Multi-culti Jedi looks forced; too much of a rainbow. -Boba Fett's mysterious edge wiped out by background in AOTC. Cool character turned into just another face. No connection between Boba and Darth established even though one suggested in ESB, "no disintegrations" not explained. -Precursors to the imperial navy officers not shown until the very end of the third movie. Should have seen same costumes being used in context of republic navy. -Battle in the end of AOTC between Jedi and droids looks terrible; lightsaber loses significance when given to too many characters at once. Again droids not formidable opponent. Technology shown in ground assault afterwards (and throughout entire prequel trilogy) more advanced than that of later movies; continuity violated, should be lower tech. -Yoda, who already should not appear in the prequels, should not fight with a lightsaber; violation of character. The same goes for the emperor. -Force-lightning should be exclusive to the emperor; force lightning cheapened by Dooku, spoils surprise of emperor's power in RotJ. -Darth Vader should have been in the suit and established by the end of the second movie. The destruction of the Jedi should have taken longer. Here would be a good place to create a connection between Boba and Darth.

I can't think of any others right now, but there are more...[/quote] jeeeesus christ, you broken records. I haven't read one word of this thread and you guys are still putting me to sleep!

"YOU ARE THE BALL-LICKERS!"

:lol:

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[quote=sammwalk]But the fact that Artoo's jets were removed is never explained in any movie; hence, that fact doesn't exist to one faced with the only true representation of the Star Wars universe, the movies. Most if not all of the books you mention are not considered "canon" by Lucas, so they don't play into his version of the story.

I think the whole reason that the newer trilogy is such a touchy subject is that it is replacing pre-conceived notions about the earlier movies we all had at one time. While some folks watch/remember the movies for the special effects, others liked them for the entire package that was presented. Not only were the special effects state of the art in the old films, the music was grade A, the cast was directed properly, the stories were novel and fun. All in all, the originals just has this synergistic magic to them. To some (or many), the new films lack this energy., This could be for a number of reasons, probably a little bit of all of them:

1. We're older now, so whiz-bang just doesn't cut it in place of good dialogue, direction, plot twists, etc.
2. The newer movies are not quite so expertly crafted as the originals, partly because of limiting factors that guided Lucas and his team serendipitously onto the right track. Because of computing technology and money?and thus infinite choices?such guiding forces are eliminated and we are left with Lucas's true "vision" which we were not really seeing before.
3. Several other movies, like the previously mentioned Matrix or the recent Lord of the Rings films, have replaced Star Wars as the premiere science fiction/fantasy movies of this generation. Star Wars did not orginally have other movies that compared to it; it was alone in its genre. Now it's up against other worthy frachises that heighten public expectation.
4. No Harrison Ford.

The above are some big reasons that most reasonable people should agree with. Here are some of my own observations about the newer movies. This is purely opinion; a lot of this is how my pre-conceived ideas of how these movies would turn out, based on what is in the first three, are different from what we actually got:

-Feel of entire trilogy not late 70s/early 80s enough! -Special effects too clean; they don't match the original, so they don't suggest continuity with it. -Special effects design doesn't match original. Space ships, weapons do not fit with established milieu. Too much differece to chalk up to 20 years in a thousand-year-old republic. Should have used X-wings and TIEs from the beginning. -Space battles too dense; no focus to shots. -"Clone Wars" should have been about much more interesting subject of cloning Jedi, others, as opposed to soldiers. As is, clones reduced to a deus ex machina. -"Trade Fedration" sounds too much like Star Trek. Too difficult to understand/not explained well enough. Wouldn't smugglers be able to circumvent?? -Jar Jar Binks, other CG characters don't move like masks/puppets, need to eliminated. Masks that are used look fake due to over-reliance on CGI. -Plot of first movie just not engaging. Should not have gone back to Tatooine, which is already a focal point of two other movies. -Battle droids not challenging as enemies, so not scary, so no drama. Droids look and sound not Star Wars-like. Should have been soldiers, or should have been more cruel and heartless. -Jke Lloyd terrible actor, too young. Should have cast Skywalker as a teenager from the get-go. -C3PO wasn't made by Anakin Skywalker. I just don't buy it! -Actually, C3PO and R2D2 should not have been in prequels at all; their appearance in the prequels makes the universe too small. -Sam Jackson just doesn't fit as a Jedi. Try an unknown, preferably ten years older. And purple lightsaber my ass. -Revelation of Yoda in ESB spoiled by Yoda's appearance in prequels; should have alluded to Yoda, not shown him. -Midichlorians take mystery out of mystic Force. Stupid! -Darth Maul not scary inasmuchas he's too obviously a bad guy whose supposed to look evil. Devil-like paint dumb. Wasted character obviously in place simply to give the Jedi somone to fight with their lightsabers; no loss/gain by his death, because of no significance to his character. -Lightsaber duel in PM staged-looking, doesn't have suspense of a real and random fight. Lighting on sets wrong, looks immature. Should be no music during lightsaber battle until battle becomes pivotal. "Duel of the Fates" music extraordinarily commercial sounding; does not match other Williams music. -Jedis always in jedi robes, never in other clothes? Why? Why not flight suits, formal clothes, etc. Unrealistic. -Anakin whiny brat instead of generally good kid with strong ambitions. -Anakin and Obi-Wan not shown developing brotherly bond, but only alluded too. Crucial dramatic exposition glossed over. -Giant "I am your father" balloon popped by foreknowledge that Anakin Skywalker becomes Darth Vader; should have "killed off" Anakin and made it look like he and Darth Vader were two different people. -Jedi "younglings" look moronic. Idiotic decision to have Jedi "padawan" all have same look. The word "padawan" cringe-worthy. Jedi training should have started at something like 13 or 14, not 6. -Multi-culti Jedi looks forced; too much of a rainbow. -Boba Fett's mysterious edge wiped out by background in AOTC. Cool character turned into just another face. No connection between Boba and Darth established even though one suggested in ESB, "no disintegrations" not explained. -Precursors to the imperial navy officers not shown until the very end of the third movie. Should have seen same costumes being used in context of republic navy. -Battle in the end of AOTC between Jedi and droids looks terrible; lightsaber loses significance when given to too many characters at once. Again droids not formidable opponent. Technology shown in ground assault afterwards (and throughout entire prequel trilogy) more advanced than that of later movies; continuity violated, should be lower tech. -Yoda, who already should not appear in the prequels, should not fight with a lightsaber; violation of character. The same goes for the emperor. -Force-lightning should be exclusive to the emperor; force lightning cheapened by Dooku, spoils surprise of emperor's power in RotJ. -Darth Vader should have been in the suit and established by the end of the second movie. The destruction of the Jedi should have taken longer. Here would be a good place to create a connection between Boba and Darth.

I can't think of any others right now, but there are more...[/quote]

Trust me, I'm not being a dick when I say this but...did you write the story?? Did you think it all up in your head?? So how can you say how things "should" be??? These are a completely different set of movies, telling a completely different story, and all you have done it compare them to the first trilogy. There is ALOT that is not explained in the movies, important secondary characters names, how certain things happened, that phenomenon is not exclusive to this new trilogy. If one does not care enough to find this information out (not only through the books) that's too damn bad, and give no one the right to post some stupid shit on the Internet saying "FUCK YOU, THE MAN WHO WITHOUT NONE OF THIS WOULD EXSIST!!!!"

Everyone keeps going off on the horrible acting of this trilogy...Ok, how many best acting Oscars were won for the first?? As far as I remember, none. How many awards did it win for the special effects, many. But this trilogy is "all about the effects at the expense of the acting???" Ok, Star Wars doesn't have the ground breaking appeal that it did when it came out, I understand that, but I also don't see that as the problem. To me it's the "nothing's as good as the original" mentality. I love the originals, I grew up with them, collected the toys, comic books, you name it. That does not stop me from seeing these movies on their own. I think "Revenge of the Sith" is the best one...period. I can seperate myself from the nostalgia of the Star Wars of my youth and see it for what it is...a kick ass movie.

Some of your points are so off the wall I don't know how to respond. Not '70s enough?? So George should have used some of that CGI to make Obi-Wan and Anakin's hair grow over their ears??? Special effects are too "clean??" So he should have purposely used cameras mounted on hand carts again?? Even though the ENTIRE reason this new trilogy was made was so he could show everyone what the first 3 were supposed to look like. The Clone Wars was never about cloning Jedis...what sense would it make to have thousannds of clone Jedis running around and then in the new series be like "Well....they're all gone. They were wiped out...by themselves." C3PO was made by Anakin, but aside from that, since it's HIS story, if he wants to make it true...doesn't that make it true?? Sam Jackson doesn't "fit" as a Jedi??? And Harrison Ford, who at the time was know for American Graffiti, "fits" as an intergalactic pirate and Mark Hamill, who was best known for "Corvette Summer" does "fit" as a Jedi??? Robes are a Jedi's "normal" clothes, they were like monks or priests....why would they have any use for "regular' clothes. Could you see a Christian priest in a flight suit?? Yoda was always a part of the Jedi council, that has been known since the first time he was seen onscreen. So now we have movies that show the Jedi council and he should be...what...on vacation??? Midichlorians I'm neutral on, it doesn't add to the story or take away from it, just another part to me. "Multi-culti Jedi looks forced; too much of a rainbow." So they should all have been human just keep it more uniform, even though there were Jedi from across the universe?? The lightning could be used by anyone who reached a certain level of power within the Dark Side, it was never exclusive to the Emperor. That tells you how much of a badass Dooku was, and how much more of a badass Anakin had become by beating him so easily the second time around. Like I said, you gotta look deeper.

I mean seriously...we could go on for days. But those are some very interesting reason why a different set of movies, telling a different story are [b]different[/b] from the ones that came before them.

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its good that the films have been produced as the story is now complete, shit acting and ja ja binks aside the films are perfectly enjoyable to watch

Re: FUCK YOU GEORGE LUCAS!!!

[quote=evangelion][quote=sammwalk]But the fact that Artoo's jets...Darth Vader should have been in the suit and established by the end of the second movie. The destruction of the Jedi should have taken longer. Here would be a good place to create a connection between Boba and Darth.

I can't think of any others right now, but there are more...[/quote]

Trust me, I'm not being a dick when I say this but...did you write the story?? Did you think it all up in your head?? So how can you say how things "should" be??? These are a completely different set of movies, telling a completely different story, and all you have done it compare them to the first trilogy. There is ALOT that is not explained in the movies, important secondary characters names, how certain things happened, that phenomenon is not exclusive to this new trilogy. If one does not care enough to find this information out (not only through the books) that's too damn bad, and give no one the right to post some stupid shit on the Internet saying "FUCK YOU, THE MAN WHO WITHOUT NONE OF THIS WOULD EXSIST!!!!"

Everyone keeps going off on the horrible acting of this trilogy...Ok, how many best acting Oscars were won for the first?? As far as I remember, none. How many awards did it win for the special effects, many. But this trilogy is "all about the effects at the expense of the acting???" Ok, Star Wars doesn't have the ground breaking appeal that it did when it came out, I understand that, but I also don't see that as the problem. To me it's the "nothing's as good as the original" mentality. I love the originals, I grew up with them, collected the toys, comic books, you name it. That does not stop me from seeing these movies on their own. I think "Revenge of the Sith" is the best one...period. I can seperate myself from the nostalgia of the Star Wars of my youth and see it for what it is...a kick ass movie.

Some of your points are so off the wall I don't know how to respond. Not '70s enough?? So George should have used some of that CGI to make Obi-Wan and Anakin's hair grow over their ears??? Special effects are too "clean??" So he should have purposely used cameras mounted on hand carts again?? Even though the ENTIRE reason this new trilogy was made was so he could show everyone what the first 3 were supposed to look like. The Clone Wars was never about cloning Jedis...what sense would it make to have thousannds of clone Jedis running around and then in the new series be like "Well....they're all gone. They were wiped out...by themselves." C3PO was made by Anakin, but aside from that, since it's HIS story, if he wants to make it true...doesn't that make it true?? Sam Jackson doesn't "fit" as a Jedi??? And Harrison Ford, who at the time was know for American Graffiti, "fits" as an intergalactic pirate and Mark Hamill, who was best known for "Corvette Summer" does "fit" as a Jedi??? Robes are a Jedi's "normal" clothes, they were like monks or priests....why would they have any use for "regular' clothes. Could you see a Christian priest in a flight suit?? Yoda was always a part of the Jedi council, that has been known since the first time he was seen onscreen. So now we have movies that show the Jedi council and he should be...what...on vacation??? Midichlorians I'm neutral on, it doesn't add to the story or take away from it, just another part to me. "Multi-culti Jedi looks forced; too much of a rainbow." So they should all have been human just keep it more uniform, even though there were Jedi from across the universe?? The lightning could be used by anyone who reached a certain level of power within the Dark Side, it was never exclusive to the Emperor. That tells you how much of a badass Dooku was, and how much more of a badass Anakin had become by beating him so easily the second time around. Like I said, you gotta look deeper.

I mean seriously...we could go on for days. But those are some very interesting reason why a different set of movies, telling a different story are [b]different[/b] from the ones that came before them.[/quote]

Well, like I said, it is my opinion. Anyway, you haven't given any good reasons to refute my position, only emotional sputtering. I'm glad you like the new movies, but they are way off the mark as far as what we imagined them looking like after watching the first three. The continuity problems are really what bug me the most- I would have imagined that George would have intended that the movies be viewed in story order, not 4-5-6,1-2-3. As it is, all of the plot twists in the later trilogy are deflated by the prequels, and if I were making the movie I would not have done that.

Just because I didn't come up with the movies doesn't mean that I can't criticize the mistakes. Lucas is only one part of the Star Wars universe. For example, Ralph McQuarrie's artistry, which is ubiquitous in the first three movies and provides the backbone of the Star Wars look, was not present in the prequels. But did George Lucas take over? No. He hired someone else, namely Doug Chiang. Sorry!

And if this is what Lucas intended from the beginning, then we were all fooled big time.

Of course it's George Luacs's movie and he can do what he wants...but I'm sure somebody would be upset if someone else made, say, another Indiana Jones movie and it totally sucked. Like it or not, it affects the others.

I have to look deeper? It appears I already have. I'd like to hear some better reasons my opinion is wrong.

Oh well, I'll defend myself anyway, now that this discussion has totally gone geek:

Not late 70s/early 80s enough- not just their hair, but that's part of it. The costumes, the sets, the look, everything. Just doesn't match. I'm just lookin' for some consistency here!

SFX, in all cases, are groundless without some kind of story behind them; otherwise, they are just demo reels. Maybe I shouldn't say that the SFX are too clean, but too extravagant to match the earlier films. This doesn't mean that they can't be awesome, just keep the camera still, for example. The shots of space battles are too dense. It crosses the line of good movie making.

Here is probably he fundamental difference in our opinion: I would have liked the new movies to match the old ones (at least to some extent), and you would have them redefine the series, to hell with the originals. I approach the series as something to watch in order, and that affects my opinion of the new films and how they don't allow this to happen.

More later...

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I thought the whole point was that Lucas only ever set out to make one Star Wars movie, so just crammed loads into the first one and only off the success of that was he able to make the rest. Episode I would have been a rubbish first movie... who wants trade wars when you can have a rebellion and death stars. And I guess when you try and make the best movie you can in the middle of a 9 part saga you will end up with some continuity errors three prequels back in time.

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I'm not gonna keep with the replies, that shit gets out of hand fast with such long posts.

Like I said before, all you are doing is comparing the old ones to the new ones. If that is your only reason for disliking them that is fine. Weak, but fine...it's your opinion. You're right they don't "look" the same. They were made 30 years apart, 'nuff said. Why should he go back instead of forward? And I never said your opinion is wrong, I just diagree with it.

Anyway, let's agree to disagree, I'm not about to get into a 3 page back and forth over this. We obviously are both huge Star Wars fans that have differing opinions on the quality and relevence of the new trilogy. Let's keep it at that.

BTW my "emotional sputtering" refutes your reasons because they are [b]my[/b] opinion. Just like all of your "reasons" are yours. Respect that.

But seriously man, knocking the new ones becaue they don't look '70s enough?? That's like knocking the old ones becasue they don't look '00s enough. :CrackUp: I'll take the new look anyday over that old school '70s look. Just like people in the '70s took that "modern" look over the '60s space alien movies, and the people in the '60 took that over the '50s look of Flash Gordon serials. It's all relative.

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[quote=demonAfro]I thought the whole point was that Lucas only ever set out to make one Star Wars movie, so just crammed loads into the first one and only off the success of that was he able to make the rest. Episode I would have been a rubbish first movie... who wants trade wars when you can have a rebellion and death stars. And I guess when you try and make the best movie you can in the middle of a 9 part saga you will end up with some continuity errors three prequels back in time.[/quote]

The whole story, Episodes 1-6, started out as one movie. Could you imagine going from Anakin's childhood to Vader's death in 2 hours?? :shock: I'm glad he decided to chop them up...for sanity's sake anyway. :o

Re: FUCK YOU GEORGE LUCAS!!!

[quote=supaz]I thought metachlorians are stupid.[/quote]

agreed ... who ever heard of a religion that you are genetically predisposed to?

Re: Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

he's never been strong with dialog ... the only reason the dialog in E5 was so great was that he had co-writers. he should have done the same for 1-3 as well. I just didn't buy Padme falling for Annakin -- there wasn't a believable attraction there ... remember, she was supposed to be several years older than him, as well as a ruler. The love story just wasn't believable

oh well

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The only reason I would want the new movies to look 1977-1982 is because that's the image that the first movies all cling to. Lucas violates his own milieu by introducing artwork that doesn't jive with the old.

If these movies were being introduced now, I wouldn't have the same feelings for the design to revolve around a particular cultural period. But since this is supposed to be a series under one umbrella, yes, we must look back to move forward.

Truly I don't expect Lucas to make period pieces to match his earlier works. We all expect him to try to push the envelope with the SFX and try to make as much money and hype as possible. But I'm laying out how I would have made them, and this is why I'm disappointed with the prequels. Some but not many will share my sentiment; others won't. Whatever.

Re: Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

althought 1 and 2 werent' that great I thought that 3 really redeemed itself, the story was good, the special effects were great and it tied everything together nicely IMO

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themonk, one of the tricks of the movie criticism trade is to first see the movie, then make your comments. It's a subtle distinction, but I know you can get it (even if you can't figure out the plot to star wars).

For my $6.50 (caught the mantinee) SW films have always been about the special effects, ILM is without equal. I thought Ep 2 was the best special effects film ever when I saw it, and it is easily dwarfed by the first 5 minutes of Ep 3 alone.

The plot IMHO is actually much better than most of what comes out of Hollywood these days, especially because it rings true with today's political climate. Everything else I just take in stirde, the acting is so-so (although in spots quite good- McGregor is great), and then you have the embarrising moments which IMO are quite funny and add to the appeal. It's okay to laugh, it's just a fucking the movie, and then say WOW the rest of the time because you don't get to see such genius effects every day or even every year.

Film is a visual based genre, if it wasn't it would be music and spoken word. That said, I strongly feel this is the most viusally stunning film ever made. That's worth a trip to the local theater for me.

Comic book store guys and heartbroken fanbois, please continue to cry on your forums.

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[b]EXTREMELY[/b] well said.

Star Wars movies have always been 90% about the effects, in both series they were beyond groundbreaking for their time. So now in today's hyper critical environment people think Lucas should make it into Gone with the Wind or The Godfather or something. Take it for what it is: a fun, visually stunning sci-fi flick, nothing more, nothing less. Just because it has Star Wars in front of it does not mean it is going to redefine film making (maybe from a technical stand point).

And you're right, I didn't think it could get any better than the last half hour of "Attack of the Clones." Well...the first half hour of "Revenge of the Sith" trumps it, not by a mile, but enough. Absolutely breathtaking. :HolyShit:

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[quote=Kobe]themonk, one of the tricks of the movie criticism trade is to first see the movie, then make your comments. It's a subtle distinction, but I know you can get it (even if you can't figure out the plot to star wars)...

Comic book store guys and heartbroken fanbois, please continue to cry on your forums.[/quote]

Thanks for the hot tip, Kobe. If my brain wasn't so small, I would try to remember it.

I love how everyone who disagrees with me and actually likes these movies has to start off by insulting me personally with some lameass sarcastic swipe at my intelligence before getting down to business. Why so defensive? Oh, and you're about five insults too late, asswipe.

My rant wasn't aimed at any individual, at least until the personal insults started flying.

Whatever.

The people who think these movies are such shite are not the "comic book boys and heartbroken fanbois", as you so cleverly put it. They are just people who go to movies for something more than a glorified video game; in other words, not people like you who think special effects by themselves are worth seeing. But if that's what you get off on, go for it--that's cool. I'm just saying why the movie is uncool for people like me.

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"Like me???" Oh enlightened one. :digweed:

Knower of all that is a good and bad movie. :roll:

Get over yourself...it's a [b]MOVIE[/b]!!!! If you start a thread with the title this one originally had, you deal with what comes next.

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IMO, the movie starts great, starts to loose speed in the middle and crashes and burns with the line "From my point of view the Jedi are evil"....

Still the kids will love it and thats what we were when we saw the originals...

There was a humour in the originals that is lost here. It has no heart /IMO

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[quote=pretence] There was a humour in the originals that is lost here. It has no heart /IMO[/quote]

This is exactly the point. Instead of being such an obnoxious ass, I should have just said this. Evangelion said the first movies were 90% special effects, but I disagree. I think they were 10% special effects, and 90% story, charm, humor, and heart. The new ones simply lack any warmth that shows that they are alive. The attempts at humor are beyond painful. The acting might not have been superb in the orginals, but chemistry between them WAS SUPERB. Every character came alive. In the EI+II, it feels like the actors are just talking to themselves in a empty cell.

(BTW, not an enlightened one. Just know a soul-less turd when I see one.)

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[quote=evangelion]

So now in today's hyper critical environment people think Lucas should make it into Gone with the Wind or The Godfather or something. Take it for what it is: a fun, visually stunning sci-fi flick, nothing more, nothing less. Just because it has Star Wars in front of it does not mean it is going to redefine film making (maybe from a technical stand point).

And you're right, I didn't think it could get any better than the last half hour of "Attack of the Clones." Well...the first half hour of "Revenge of the Sith" trumps it, not by a mile, but enough. Absolutely breathtaking. :HolyShit:[/quote]

This is bullshit.

1. There is nothing hypercritical about the current environment at all. In a critical environment these movies would have bombed worse than Ishtar.

2. Nobody thinks Lucas should have made this into something serious. I just wanted something fun. Hans Solo was fun. Chewbacca was fun. The Milennium Falcon and Princess Lea's bitchiness were fun. These movies are about as much fun as getting assreamed by tiesto. I can't think of anything less "fun" than episopes 1 and 2. Fun is something playful, light-hearted, and freeing. These movies to me are pretentious, wooden, hulking beasts stuffed full of everything that it unfun in the world of movies.

3. I think the first two episodes are visual candy for E-tards. (Haven't see the third.) Nothing visually stuning in the least. Just totally hyperactive battle scenes without focus or tension, sterile backdrops sucked of life, and computer characters that look less believable than something that just dropped out of Buffy reruns. Visually stunning does not mean the largest number of CG-generated images flying around pointlessly at the same time. Visually stunning is something that hits the eye with impact. Gattaca is a visually stunning movie. Raise the Red Lantern is visually stunning. Farewell My Concubine is visually stunning. Bladerunner is visually stunning. These new treats from Lucas are the visual equivalents of a cheap buffet. Yeah, there's a lot to eat, but it all sucks.

Re: Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

1. Just like everyone else you can do nothing but compare them to the originals

2. Count how many times the words "I" or "me" appear in your previous post

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[quote=evangelion] 2. Count how many times the words "I" or "me" appear in your previous post[/quote]

Do you have a point? If hadn't added all IMHO's, you'd be bitching at me for making my opinion seem the truth. Since you're not such a big fan of me (am I allowed to use the first person pronoun without offending your sensibilities evangelion?), here is another perspective.

CLASSIC movie review from the New Yorker:

link:

[url]http://www.newyorker.com/critics/cinema/articles/050523crci_cinema[/url]

text:

Sith. What kind of a word is that? Sith. It sounds to me like the noise that emerges when you block one nostril and blow through the other, but to George Lucas it is a name that trumpets evil. What is proved beyond question by ?Star Wars: Episode III?Revenge of the Sith,? the latest?and, you will be shattered to hear, the last?installment of his sci-fi bonanza, is that Lucas, though his eye may be greedy for sensation, has an ear of purest cloth. All those who concoct imagined worlds must populate and name them, and the resonance of those names is a fairly accurate guide to the mettle of the imagination in question. Tolkien, earthed in Old English, had a head start that led him straight to the flinty perfection of Mordor and Orc. Here, by contrast, are some Lucas inventions: Palpatine. Sidious. Mace Windu. (Isn?t that something you spray on colicky babies?) Bail Organa. And Sith.

Lucas was not always a rootless soul. He made ?American Graffiti,? which yielded with affection to the gravitational pull of the small town. Since then, he has swung out of orbit, into deep nonsense, and the new film is the apotheosis of that drift. One stab of humor and the whole conceit would pop, but I have a grim feeling that Lucas wishes us to honor the remorseless non-comedy of his galactic conflict, so here goes. Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ewan McGregor) and his star pupil, Anakin Skywalker (Hayden Christensen), are, with the other Jedi knights, defending the Republic against the encroachments of the Sith and their allies?millions of dumb droids, led by Count Dooku (Christopher Lee) and his henchman, General Grievous, who is best described as a slaying mantis. Meanwhile, the Chancellor of the Republic, Palpatine (Ian McDiarmid), is engaged in a sly bout of Realpolitik, suspected by nobody except Anakin, Obi-Wan, and every single person watching the movie. Anakin, too, is a divided figure, wrenched between his Jedi devotion to selfless duty and a lurking hunch that, if he bides his time and trashes his best friends, he may eventually get to wear a funky black mask and start breathing like a horse.

This film is the tale of his temptation. We already know the outcome?Anakin will indeed drop the killer-monk Jedi look and become Darth Vader, the hockey goalkeeper from hell?because it forms the substance of the original ?Star Wars.? One of the things that make Episode III so dismal is the time and effort expended on Anakin?s conversion. Early in the story, he enjoys a sprightly light-sabre duel with Count Dooku, which ends with the removal of the Count?s hands. (The stumps glow, like logs on a fire; there is nothing here that reeks of human blood.) Anakin prepares to scissor off the head, while the mutilated Dooku kneels for mercy. A nice setup, with Palpatine egging our hero on from the background. The trouble is that Anakin?s choice of action now will be decisive, and the remaining two hours of the film?scene after scene in which Hayden Christensen has to glower and glare, blazing his conundrum to the skies?will add nothing to the result. ?Something?s happening. I?m not the Jedi I should be,? he says. This is especially worrying for his wife, Padm? (Natalie Portman), who is great with child. Correction: with children.

What can you say about a civilization where people zip from one solar system to the next as if they were changing their socks but where a woman fails to register for an ultrasound, and thus to realize that she is carrying twins until she is about to give birth? Mind you, how Padm? got pregnant is anybody?s guess, although I?m prepared to wager that it involved Anakin nipping into a broom closet with a warm glass jar and a copy of Ewok Babes. After all, the Lucasian universe is drained of all reference to bodily functions. Nobody ingests or excretes. Language remains unblue. Smoking and cursing are out of bounds, as is drunkenness, although personally I wouldn?t go near the place without a hip flask. Did Lucas learn nothing from ?Alien? and ?Blade Runner??from the suggestion that other times and places might be no less rusted and septic than ours, and that the creation of a disinfected galaxy, where even the storm troopers wear bright-white outfits, looks not so much fantastical as dated? What Lucas has devised, over six movies, is a terrible puritan dream: a morality tale in which both sides are bent on moral cleansing, and where their differences can be assuaged only by a triumphant circus of violence. Judging from the whoops and crowings that greeted the opening credits, this is the only dream we are good for. We get the films we deserve.

The general opinion of ?Revenge of the Sith? seems to be that it marks a distinct improvement on the last two episodes, ?The Phantom Menace? and ?Attack of the Clones.? True, but only in the same way that dying from natural causes is preferable to crucifixion. So much here is guaranteed to cause either offense or pain, starting with the nineteen-twenties leather football helmet that Natalie Portman suddenly dons for no reason, and rising to the continual horror of Ewan McGregor?s accent. ?Another happy landing??or, to be precise, ?anothah heppy lending??he remarks, as Anakin parks the front half of a burning starcruiser on a convenient airstrip. The young Obi-Wan Kenobi is not, I hasten to add, the most nauseating figure onscreen; nor is R2-D2 or even C-3PO, although I still fail to understand why I should have been expected to waste twenty-five years of my life following the progress of a beeping trash can and a gay, gold-plated Jeeves.

No, the one who gets me is Yoda. May I take the opportunity to enter a brief plea in favor of his extermination? Any educated moviegoer would know what to do, having watched that helpful sequence in ?Gremlins? when a small, sage-colored beastie is fed into an electric blender. A fittingly frantic end, I feel, for the faux-pensive stillness on which the Yoda legend has hung. At one point in the new film, he assumes the role of cosmic shrink?squatting opposite Anakin in a noirish room, where the light bleeds sideways through slatted blinds. Anakin keeps having problems with his dark side, in the way that you or I might suffer from tennis elbow, but Yoda, whose reptilian smugness we have been encouraged to mistake for wisdom, has the answer. ?Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose,? he says. Hold on, Kermit, run that past me one more time. If you ever got laid (admittedly a long shot, unless we can dig you up some undiscerning alien hottie with a name like Jar Jar Gabor), and spawned a brood of Yodettes, are you saying that you?d leave them behind at the first sniff of danger? Also, while we?re here, what?s with the screwy syntax? Deepest mind in the galaxy, apparently, and you still express yourself like a day-tripper with a dog-eared phrase book. ?I hope right you are.? Break me a fucking give.

The prize for the least speakable burst of dialogue has, over half a dozen helpings of ?Star Wars,? grown into a fiercely contested tradition, but for once the winning entry is clear, shared between Anakin and Padm? for their exchange of endearments at home:

?You?re so beautiful.? ?That?s only because I?m so in love.? ?No, it?s because I?m so in love with you.?

For a moment, it looks as if they might bat this one back and forth forever, like a baseline rally on a clay court. And if you think the script is on the tacky side, get an eyeful of the d?cor. All of the interiors in Lucasworld are anthems to clean living, with molded furniture, the tranquillity of a morgue, and none of the clutter and quirkiness that signify the process known as existence. Illumination is provided not by daylight but by a dispiriting plastic sheen, as if Lucas were coating all private affairs?those tricky little threats to his near-fascistic rage for order?in a protective glaze. Only outside does he relax, and what he relaxes into is apocalypse. ?Revenge of the Sith? is a zoo of rampant storyboards. Why show a pond when C.G.I. can deliver a lake that gleams to the far horizon? Why set a paltry house on fire when you can stage your final showdown on an entire planet that streams with ruddy, gulping lava? Whether the director is aware of John Martin, the Victorian painter who specialized in the cataclysmic, I cannot say, but he has certainly inherited that grand perversity, mobilized it in every frame of the film, and thus produced what I take to be unique: an art of flawless and irredeemable vulgarity. All movies bear a tint of it, in varying degrees, but it takes a vulgarian genius such as Lucas to create a landscape in which actions can carry vast importance but no discernible meaning, in which style is strangled at birth by design, and in which the intimate and the ironic, not the Sith, are the principal foes to be suppressed. It is a vision at once gargantuan and murderously limited, and the profits that await it are unfit for contemplation. I keep thinking of the rueful Obi-Wan Kenobi, as he surveys the holographic evidence of Anakin?s betrayal. ?I can?t watch anymore,? he says. Wise words, Obi-Wan, and I shall carry them in my heart.

Re: Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

All I see are the bashings of someone who hates the Star Wars movies as a whole. None of which is very specific to this film or for that matter correct. Why attack Buddhism, which would expose himself, when he can take a cheap shot at Yoda? Ah yes, so people will overlook the fact the this is a cursory review, and really just someone posing as an intellectual by rejecting a pop culture phenomena.

Overall I agree though, if you hate the SW series this movie is obviously not for you. DUH. I don't like chick flicks so I will go see Traveling Pants and rip the shit out of it. Or better yet, I won't go see it, then rail on about it for 5 pages worth of thread. :roll:

Re: Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

[quote=themonk]No, the one who gets me is Yoda. May I take the opportunity to enter a brief plea in favor of his extermination?[/quote]

no.

Re: Please suck less Mr. George Lucas , sir.

[quote=themonk]Do you have a point?[/quote]

Nope, just trying to see how long you wanna drag this out. :Cheerz:

I read that article already. Dude obviously knows not a damn thing about Star Wars. Let's rip on Yoda for the way he talks!!!! Man, you're about 30 years too late. Like Kobe said, it is sad attempt at trying to seem "above it all" by publically destroying a pop culture icon. Yawn. :roll: