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I'm beginning to lose faith in humanity...

95 durable postsStarted 2014-07-11Latest 2014-08-04
#145569Post 1 of 95

Is it just me or is there suddenly an increased spate of infant and toddler murders? I've read maybe 3 or 4 extremely disturbing ones over the last couple of months and a couple of them made me sick to my stomach. How on earth can people do such things to a child. How? What part of their brain is messed up that they don't have the empathy.

The one murder I read which troubled me the most, this guy kicked a 22 month old so hard, he "broke her liver in half" (according to the article). It disturbed me so much to read that article, I was depressed for a couple of days after it. I couldn't stop thinking about that little girl and what she went through. It's been weeks since I read it and it still upsets me when I think of that little girl. I'm not a violent person but by God I would give this guy a lesson of a lifetime.

We are seriously turning into the sickest form of so-called "intelligent" life on this planet.

#1719823Post 2 of 95

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i'm with you kamal. that along with all the rioting/violence all over the world.... all the third world countries that JUST got simple things like running water and electricity only to have guerillas come over and destroy their small towns to "keep them in check." it really pisses me off.

ironic you should bring this up as i've been thinking about it a lot too.

#1719824Post 3 of 95

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It's insane Garrick, every time I hold my daughter, I hold her just a little tighter when I think of those little girls. My thoughts just keep going back to them again and again, my mind is just unwilling to digest the horrific acts against these babies. That girl who's liver was hurt still makes me emotional. That's the one that really got me.

His interview is just sickening - [url="http://www.inquisitr.com/1306802/man-kicked-2-year-old-amina-agboola-so-hard-her-liver-broke-in-half/"]Man Kicked 2-Year-Old Amina Agboola So Hard, Her Liver [/url]

#1719843Post 4 of 95

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Fuck everything about those stories. I don't read them past the headline which is usually by accident. The problem with the internet is that every time something that makes news headlines happens, you can hear about in real time via your Facebook page or some other source. That's part of why I like MS. It's insulated from a lot if the regular everyday BS one can find online. Same goes for pornography which has crept it's way into the mainstream media (music videos, online ads) that shit is damaging to the human psyche as well, but since hotels, phone carriers, internet providers, and other humongous companies make billions of $$ off it, it's good for them if it finds it's way into our culture. So along a similar vein of losing faith in humanity, I'd say humans are having a tougher time delineating what is healthy for them to consume and what is not, thanks to the internet. I don't think we were designed to know about every terrible scenario that goes down across the globe or across the country for that matter, it's just not good for the spirit. I say stay away. /rant

#1719844Post 5 of 95

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What's real is that right now many kids are in all kinds of pain, sex trafficking, kids getting cancer treatments and suffering from terrible disease, neglect, abuse, retarded kids abandoned. That's everyday shit in this world. Point being, a handful of terrible parents making headlines for leaving their kids in the car is also sad and really fucked up, but keep it in perspective. Fucked up shit happens, it's not new. What is new is our parenthood, our hearts have changed. We see all children differently now, we want them to be taken care of like our own are. Teach your kids to care for others, to consider others feelings, to stand up for the poor and weak. Teach your kids to trust people that are different from them, religion, color, income level. That will change the world if our generation of parents can really raise kids right. I've gotten off topic, but all that to say, I know how you feel Kamal. I see photos of my friends kid getting cancer treatments and in agony and I just want to hug my son and give thanks that he is healthy.

#1719848Post 6 of 95

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Wow sorry to hear about your friend's son. Illness, though no less painful, is an involuntary suffering. But to be a teen mom and have your new boyfriend stomp on your infant until green stuff oozes from her mouth and then bury her in the back yard because you want to protect your boyfriend from going to jail, I mean such depraved acts of humanity.

It maybe a coincidence that evil is live spelled backwards, but you read stuff like this and you wonder, is it really a coincidence? Is this really hell?

#1719849Post 7 of 95

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I'm sorry to post such dark stuff but having become a parent recently, this stuff has been very hard for me to stomach, the magnitude of such depravity has really gotten to me.

#1719872Post 8 of 95

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[QUOTE=Kamal;1132974] It maybe a coincidence that evil is live spelled backwards, but you read stuff like this and you wonder, is it really a coincidence? Is this really hell? [/QUOTE]

I don't think this is really hell, but I think it is a world of learning & sifting through experiences. When something has been brought to your attention, I think there's a reason it's been brought to the forefront, maybe so you'll be more loving towards your own kids & all children who cross your path? Since you're a parent, from now on, all kinds of children will come into your awareness through daily encounters and you can be different towards them for having read that story. If you have a daughter, maybe it will become important to you to help her learn how to choose a boyfriend?

When I read about the couple whose 22 month old died in a hot car in Georgia, and they really didn't show the remorse one would expect, but the evidence shows they even had a plan for that to happen to him, I was struck by what his mother said at his funeral that she was glad he wouldn't have to endure his first broken heart or not having anyone to sit with in the middle school lunch room and I'm like....Huh??? That is F---k-uped thinking!!! She felt the world was so broken he was too precious [& loved] to live in it and was better off dead. Okay, but he had no say in the matter and his soul wanted to be in this physical world to learn all he could learn. Was she a mother who watched horrible news on TV too much and on social media? Did she lose faith in humanity so much so she felt her own son was too good to live in this world? Is she mentally ill? (I think so.) She said her son being left in the car was her "worst fear." Did she make her own worst fear come true? People reported they were a "normal couple," but you never really know anyone or what they are capable of, that dad was sexting 6 women, one a minor, pictures and all, while his son was in the car. She chose him for a husband & father for her child?

That child's life and cause of death has swept over the nation and brought to light that nearly 45 children die each year in hot cars. Maybe that was his soul's path, to bring that awareness? I mean, how many children had to die before the world learned they required rear-facing carseats for infants? Probably way too many, but we (society) finally learned it and now even manufactures sometimes manufacture them right in. So with every bad thing that happens, maybe good comes out of it in contrast?

Maybe our souls choose our parents (deeply flawed and all) and maybe we sign up for experiences (no matter how horrible) to teach the world what we came to teach? And through our/their experiences, other people's perspectives are changed and the world is different for having learned our story? Some people believe that even babies who live only a few hours were souls that chose that experience so they could revel in every second of their short life. And maybe our souls have already chosen how we'll die because this is all really just a dream like state and when we die we awaken to real life?

[Not to blame mothers for anything, but...] I read it takes one simple aspect of motherhood to create a sociopath person.....if their mother never threatened to withdraw her love in anger. It's that simple. If you never fear losing that one important person's love, that can change everything for you. It's actually healthy for a mother to show the emotion of anger and withdraw her attention for awhile. Through feeling that fear, you learn empathy for anyone seemingly unloved. And they say brains aren't fully developed until age 20, just speaking of development, not maturity. Children don't come with how-to manuals and unless you're willing to learn how to parent, they don't teach it in schools so you'll have to learn it yourself if you're even interested in doing it well. (I'm referring to going beyond where you decide to do things differently or the same as your own parents.) Many people believe it just comes naturally, but I think it can trigger all kinds of hidden issues within the parents -parenting is so stressful and hard at times.... you can see a side of yourself you never knew you had, it's a learning process for the parents as well.

While I don't think it's healthy to teach a child they can trust any stranger no matter what, teaching them to fear everyone outside their sphere of influence isn't the answer either. I think empathy is taught by showing the child empathy. Critical adults are criticized as children. Children are pretty self eccentric, I think they learn what they experience, then spend their adulthood trying to learn something else than what they experienced as children, often. I've seen parents try to teach a child how to share their toys for instance, and it just backfires, they learn that giving means they lose and they don't want to lose anything. I guess my point is, all kinds of things can go wrong within a person's life to make them choose horrendous circumstances/outcomes even with parents of the best intentions. We're all built to make mistakes so we can evolve as a society. (Not that the most obvious, horrendous mistakes are justified, they're not.) No justification or rationalization, some people just are F--ked up!! That's the only answer.

Don't lose hope Kamal, there are good humans out in the world also!! It's all learning. I saw a documentary-type show about the relatives of mass murders and this one dad whose 14 yr old son shot 5 people in his school, his dad was a single dad who had to work all the time & moved him from all his friends to another state (I think it was from CA where he was into drama to WA where he was viewed as weird for being in drama, or something) for work when he was 12 and suddenly the son didn't fit in anywhere, was bullied and beaten at school, unbeknownst to his dad, his dad cried on TV and said "In the first 14 years of my son's life, I never once told him I loved him. But I say it now, now that he's in prison, I tell him everyday. I learned how important that is." (Not that that was the reason the child became a killer, but the dad learned things through it all.) He learned his job isn't the most important thing, providing for his son was important, but not the important thing he thought it was, he learned that showing love to his son, listening to him, being involved & saying "I love you" were the most important things, no matter how/where they lived.)

I think it's important we start teaching children how to process emotions in a healthy way. Because with the internet and all, too much time is being spent playing computer games, young brains can't distinguish between what's real and what's just a visual game. (Maybe that's what happened with that boyfriend?)

I digressed... sorry; I hope something I've written helps you feel better. To answer your question, yes, THIS is not where the "really good stuff" lives. This is where we experience good & bad so we can know the difference. Some get the crash course and others take a lifetime, some get the worse teachers & classrooms and others get the dreamy ones. (And no one knows why.) But, we're all in it together and no one gets out of it alive. Every single soul has something they're here to learn and something to teach the world & everyone who knows them.

#1719873Post 9 of 95

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[QUOTE=Kamal;1132975]I'm sorry to post such dark stuff but having become a parent recently, this stuff has been very hard for me to stomach, the magnitude of such depravity has really gotten to me.[/QUOTE]

I think alot of us are processing some of the horrible news lately about children and tragedies. Thank you for providing a thread where we can "get some of it out." No need to be sorry.

#1719875Post 10 of 95

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I'm more concerned with the 1,000's of kids being sent from Central America to the US because life is THAT bad for them in their country than I am a few isolated incidents in the US that make headlines because of their shock value. There's a lot of terrible shit out there, try not to dwell on it is the best answer. Or do something to make life better for someone else.

#1719893Post 11 of 95

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An alarming statistic:

[IMG]http://www.facesofchildabuse.org/images/2012%20Stats%20Tables/perpetrator%20by%20relationship%20to%20victim.jpg[/IMG]

[url="http://www.facesofchildabuse.org/stats-facts.html"]National Child Abuse Statistics[/url]

#1719894Post 12 of 95

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1133008]I'm more concerned with the 1,000's of kids being sent from Central America to the US because life is THAT bad for them in their country than I am a few isolated incidents in the US that make headlines because of their shock value. There's a lot of terrible shit out there, try not to dwell on it is the best answer. Or do something to make life better for someone else.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, but this makes no sense at all to me. What are you trying to say?

#1719896Post 13 of 95

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For some us, less privileged, death by innocence is a common everyday mortification. It’s astonishing how some fail to realise beyond one’s continent, let alone mind-set.

[url="http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/01/23/more-than-2400-dead-as-obamas-drone-campaign-marks-five-years/"]More than 2,400 dead as Obamas drone campaign marks five years | The Bureau of Investigative Journalism[/url] .

#1719900Post 14 of 95

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[QUOTE=Illuminate;1133057]I'm sorry, but this makes no sense at all to me. What are you trying to say?[/QUOTE]

I was just trying to say that crimes against children are too much for me to handle

#1719917Post 15 of 95

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[QUOTE=Illuminate;1133057]I'm sorry, but this makes no sense at all to me. What are you trying to say?[/QUOTE]

This is what he's talking about, this crisis at our borders of children and their mothers fleeing their countries for fear of being murdered by gangs in their lawless/law corrupt areas of South America. We're talking 52,000 women and children trying to get in.

[URL]http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/children-border-raise-question-who-refugee-n144696[/URL]

The number of children fleeing their country & wanting into the U.S. has risen 92% this year (thus, it's a real crisis) & they want to be considered refugees. I say let them all in, let them start their own town somewhere here (we have the room, we have the resources), and as long as they abide by our laws, they can stay. We allowed the emigrants from Europe in the early 1900s thru Ellis Island at the NY border and we were all better for it as a country. I see no difference in this crisis just because it's occurring in our southern borders, this time from Central America.

#1719930Post 16 of 95

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[QUOTE=KiwiTollway;1133005] [Not to blame mothers for anything, but...] I read it takes one simple aspect of motherhood to create a sociopath person.....if their mother never threatened to withdraw her love in anger. It's that simple. If you never fear losing that one important person's love, that can change everything for you. It's actually healthy for a mother to show the emotion of anger and withdraw her attention for awhile. Through feeling that fear, you learn empathy for anyone seemingly unloved. [/QUOTE]

Can you elaborate, give examples? This is interesting, thanks.

#1719936Post 17 of 95

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I think there is always an argument that there is good and there are good people out there, but seriously, the signal to noise ratio?

I am all for wiping out the human race or eugenics. "Free will, reason, intelligence" has fucked us all up. You don't see animals willfully doing this to each other.

We are a small, petty, pathetic race.

#1719937Post 18 of 95

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1133103]Can you elaborate, give examples? This is interesting, thanks.[/QUOTE]

The way I understood it, sometimes people are a certain way, like they seem to lack remorse for things they say/do that hurts others. So they hurt others indiscriminately and they don't know why. Apparently, if their mother was so even-keeled in temperament, like she acted as if nothing really got to her, she showed the same tone, same look, no anger, no affect...nothing made her really angry, then the child learns very early he/she cannot affect her [or others]. Because if the child never feels that feeling of panic/fear & internalizes it by asking himself "Is she still going to love me?" and he/she doesn't ever become scared (experience that fear for a moment) and come to the conclusion "I better behave nicer." then that creates a lack of conscience in a sense and it can play out in various ways. I think because they're missing that link "bad behavior = the chance I'll lose the love of the one most important person to me [mother]."

I read it's important for mothers to show emotions, communicate what they mean & how to resolve them ("Say you're sorry and come give me a hug, see I'm not angry anymore, we're fine.") By withdrawing their attention from their child for a period of time (like in timeout... gentle discipline) no matter how much the young child wants to connect, she's angry and says "I'm angry you for ______ (not yelling, but raising voice slightly, changing tone to an angry one, changing facial expression, & so on) "Go sit in timeout." (or go to your room until you can communicate calmly, then you can come out and we'll work through this together.) The young child fears for a few moments that mother doesn't love him/her anymore because of whatever they did that was wrong. So then, the mother relaxes, stops being angry (i.e., emotions have been processed), and makes up with the child (with warm communication). It's an important process in child rearing if you want an adult who has a conscience, is confident in reading people's emotions, and can interpret their own emotions and how to work through them warmly with others.

A very young child (0-5) must learn that his/her actions affect people emotionally (through experiencing that with their parents) and those emotions can get worked through and they feel loved (in warm connection) again. Adversely, if their mother's love was never 'hanging in the balance,' the child feels kind of robotic, like they don't really matter in the emotional life of their mother, thus, they don't really matter to anyone. That link doesn't get internalized. Or, there is so much confusion around their own emotions and the lack of emotions being displayed by their mother, their conscience lacks developing in experiencing empathy for themselves or anyone else.

When that happens, that adult tends to escalate negative behavior towards others because they believe deep inside they don't affect anyone emotionally (their even-keeled mother never/rarely was affected by them). For some people, that can even turn into physical negative behavior, which would be that of a sociopath or one with sociopath tendencies. It's all really important in a child's emotional development.

There's an article (I read these kinds of things all the time) called "Parent-child Processes in Childhood, Conduct Problems, & Callous-Unemotional Traits: An Observational Analysis" by Dave S Pasalich, University of New South Wales, Sydney Australia. But you can also google how consciences are developed in early childhood, it's all about parenting styles. It's actually more effective to have parents who display a wide range of emotions, label them for their child, talk about resolving them openly & warmly, verses strict, cold, authoritative, non-discussion-types or coercive forms of interacting and discipline. And fear plays a very important role in attachment, conscience development, empathy development for others, etc.

here's another article:

[URL]http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/labs/thompson/pubs/article/thompsonmeyermcginley.pdf[/URL]

some excerpts:

It should be clear from this research review how parents whose conversations with offspring incorporate negative, denigrating, or otherwise unsympathetic portrayals of others’ needs or motives, or who emphasize the importance of moral compliance for authoritarian reasons, or who scare or threaten offspring, or who convey self interested moral orientations, or who seek to justify lying, cheating, or treating others unkindly are likely to instill similar values and dispositions in young children. Moreover, in parent–child relationships of distrust or insecurity, young children are likely to be inclined toward moral dispositions that are more self-protective and perhaps less other-oriented than those inspired by caregiving relationships of security and warmth. These negative or mixed moral messages are likely to be apparent in parent–child relationships characterized also by harsh or punitive parental discipline practices and may, in fact, help to account for the more external, punishment-oriented moral values adopted by the offspring of such parents. 

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Young children learn about the importance of others’ feelings in their conversations with the adult, and they also witness these emotions directly during conflict with siblings or parents, and then talk about the feelings they observed in later conversation. [B]Children learn to care about how others feel because their own feelings are respected, even during conflict with a parent. [/B]

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Perhaps most valuable is the view emerging from this research that young children are intuitive moralists who begin to understand values in the context of relationships of

significance to them. Young children are neither autonomous moral theorists nor lumps of clay to be shaped by others. They are instead moral apprentices, striving hard to understand, creating their own intuitive morality but also aided by the sensitive guidance of adult mentors in the home who provide lessons about morality in everyday experiences. Such a portrayal of young children enlivens inquiry into the beginnings of conscience.

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I hope this helps.. :D
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#1719964Post 19 of 95

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thanks so much - going to read this a few times... It's good for understanding people who we may know

#1719966Post 20 of 95

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[QUOTE=feather;1133109]I think there is always an argument that there is good and there are good people out there, but seriously, the signal to noise ratio? [/QUOTE]

I really enjoy the unique, funny way you put things, Feather .:p

I agree FL, it is interesting to know why people do what they do. Parents, in all their good intentions, sometimes decide to hide all negative feelings/emotions believing they're being better parents for it -----like believing in always redirecting rather than expressing displeasure with their child's behavior. But they're actually doing a dis-service to the child because the real world is full of other people and their emotions. To fear hurting someone's feelings is a valuable learned trait if you don't want to raise a sociopath or narcissist. :!:

#1719974Post 21 of 95

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Glad my misanthropy is entertaining I suppose ... 8):twisted:

Funnily enough after participating in this thread I caught Planet of the Apes last night.

Apes don't kill apes.

#1719982Post 22 of 95

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[ATTACH=CONFIG]11620[/ATTACH] Alejandro, 8 yrs old, a refugee found at our border with nothing but his birth certificate. OMG, his little face... he traveled so far to get to safety. :(

#1719991Post 23 of 95

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[QUOTE=KiwiTollway;1133198] .. he traveled so far to get to safety. :([/QUOTE]

From where? How far?

#1720023Post 24 of 95

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[QUOTE=audrey_w;1133213]From where? How far?[/QUOTE]

The children are coming out of Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala and have traveled more than 2,000 miles (3,219 km), including all through Mexico, to get to the closest U.S. border in Texas.

#1720046Post 25 of 95

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They must have seen the succes story of the Dog Whisperer. :lol:

#1720054Post 26 of 95

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[QUOTE=KiwiTollway;Alejandro, 8 yrs old, a refugee found at our border with nothing but his birth certificate. OMG, his little face... he traveled so far to get to safety. QUOTE]

[URL="http://www.periodico26.cu/index.php/en/we-recommend/20680-alejandro-the-drama-of-immigrant-children-in-the-u-s"]Alejandro, the Drama of Immigrant Children in the U.S[/URL]

He does look amazing well clothed and fed though. :)

#1720067Post 27 of 95

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[QUOTE=DIDI;1133318][QUOTE=KiwiTollway;Alejandro, 8 yrs old, a refugee found at our border with nothing but his birth certificate. OMG, his little face... he traveled so far to get to safety. QUOTE]

[URL="http://www.periodico26.cu/index.php/en/we-recommend/20680-alejandro-the-drama-of-immigrant-children-in-the-u-s"]Alejandro, the Drama of Immigrant Children in the U.S[/URL]

He does look amazing well clothed and fed though. :)[/QUOTE]

That's a pretty small photo. I couldn't say if he's really fed, but none the less, the reports seem to be credible, especially this one: [url="http://www.uchastings.edu/centers/cgrs-docs/treacherous_journey_cgrs_kind_report.pdf"]http://www.uchastings.edu/centers/cgrs-docs/treacherous_journey_cgrs_kind_report.pdf[/url]

If only people knew of how miserable our so called government, treats refugees. Abysmal, is an understatement.

#1720096Post 28 of 95

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I read recently about some refugees in Australia threatening suicide and the prime minister declaring the government won't be blackmailed, didn't delve further into it.

#1720114Post 29 of 95

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Until the world stops using children as pawns for their own selfish various needs & whatever is lacking, they'll keep being used & abused and that sucks.

Alejandro has captured my heart, I would give him my home and love in a split second for the rest of my life. His little face, there's just something about his expression while the officer looks over his birth certificate that I will never forget. He's dressed like a little grown man. He came so far and he's only 8 yrs old. The power of photography! That one got to me. I seriously contacted the border's DHS to see what we could do because of that photo.

Everyone needs compassion at times in their life, the Australia's prime minister will have his day, how cold hearted to spin it into being blackmail instead of the desperation it is. I've experienced people like that, no thank you. Aren't we all refugees in a sense at some point in our lives? Everyone needs refuge.

#1720117Post 30 of 95

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KiwiTollway, you're too good for this world. Most likely the kid was helped, and probably dropped 10 km from there... :)

#1720129Post 31 of 95

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^ I've been told that more times than I can count though I know you're kidding.

I know it sounds hokey, but I can read people's aura or energy or something. I think everyone can, but for some reason I've honed in on it more than most, maybe? My kids do it too. I can feel someone's energy without any contact with them from hundreds of miles away. It's sometimes frustrating. Also, I can be somewhere and feel so much negative energy around the people, I have to leave the place or endure feeling physically ill from it. I try not to take it in, but it just happens. They used to tell me I was extra sensitive or too sensitive, but now I see it's really a gift of knowing. I dream things before they happen too.

When my kids were really young (2 or 3), I'd have a spiritual question of some kind I'd be just thinking about, not vocalizing, and my child would blurt out the answer to me without any idea why they said it. Other times, I'll be pondering a question and a song will come on the radio indicating the answer. I have lots of music synchronicities happen very regularly & lately they've been amusing me. Do any other people have that happen? Maybe I'll make a thread. lol

I believe Alejandro is going to be ok or I'm destined to meet him in person someday & make sure he's ok. ;)

#1720148Post 32 of 95

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Yes, and my aura rises just above the crevices of my legs, when I see a picture of Miranda Kerr.A rush of blood if I may concur.

Can you feel that, wherever you may be in this planet?

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/iWKad22.jpg[/IMG]

Ohh it's happening again.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/U0P8vIg.jpg[/IMG]

#1720182Post 33 of 95

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inappropriate dear. go play with that in private.

#1720203Post 34 of 95

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This thread went from where to where in a snap.

#1720215Post 35 of 95

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And on the flip side, we have this bizarre news: [url="http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/07/feds-to-open-50-million-resort-hotel-for-illegal-children-complete-with-tennis-courts-sauna-pools/"]FEDS TO OPEN $50 MILLION RESORT FOR ILLEGAL CHILDREN – Complete With Tennis Courts, Sauna Pools (Updated) | The Gateway Pundit[/url]

I can't help wondering at the point of dropping 50m for 600 kids who will only spend up to 15 days there at a time ... surely the 50m could be used more efficiently.

#1720220Post 36 of 95

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The average stay is 15 days until they can go to foster homes or stay with relatives in the U.S. It's a good thing it's a short stay since 1,200-1,400 are showing up per day. Glad to hear he's done something. That headline will make his opponents crazy with hate. sheesh Because it's something already built, saves time & money. He's just looking for a place nearby to put them quickly. How the media spins it.

Update: bid cancelled due to uproar from the media report making it sound like it would stay as a resort center for the children, which it wasn't, it was going to be turned into a kind of hospital/triage center. thanks fox news = idiots

#1720222Post 37 of 95

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So it should have been withdrawn !! That looks more like a "charity" feathering it's own nest. I'm sure they could buy damn good buildings that are more suited to the use. Gee maybe even a hospital.?? 50m could be put to so much more, and better, use. Let's just hope it is.

WTF! BCFS spoke of building a soccer field at the hotel :lol:

#1720224Post 38 of 95

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Btw . Just read the small print . That is 50m per YEAR not a one off.

[QUOTE]According to a Hidalgo County commissioner, the BCFS contract for the Palm Aire Hotel and Suites is an annual one worth $50 million per year. [/QUOTE]

#1720258Post 39 of 95

Re: I'm beginning to lose faith in humanity...

[QUOTE=Illuminate;1133461]Yes, and my aura rises just above the crevices of my legs, when I see a picture of Miranda Kerr.A rush of blood if I may concur.

Can you feel that, wherever you may be in this planet?

Ohh it's happening again.

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creepy

#1720743Post 40 of 95

Re: I'm beginning to lose faith in humanity...

As creepy as people reading your aura, yes.

On the subject matter of under privileged children, [url="http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/07/the-children-of-gaza-and-israel.html"]The Children of Gaza and Israel : The New Yorker[/url]

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