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Why American's and Brits have different accents....

28 durable postsStarted 2013-07-29Latest 2013-08-05
#131731Post 1 of 28

I'm sure most of you geniuses already knew all of this, but for us regular folk, I thought there were a couple details that were interesting:

[URL="http://www.livescience.com/33652-americans-brits-accents.html"]Why Do Americans and Brits Have Different Accents? | When Did American and British Accents Diverge? | English Pronunciation | LiveScience [/URL]

and also: [URL="http://www.livescience.com/33844-british-american-word-spelling.html"]Why Do Brits and Americans Spell Words Differently? | LiveScience [/URL]

[QUOTE][COLOR=#d3d3d3]In 1776, whether you were declaring America independent from the crown or swearing your [/COLOR][URL="http://www.livescience.com/33652-americans-brits-accents.html#"][COLOR=#d3d3d3][LEFT][FONT=inherit][LEFT][FONT=inherit][U]loyalty[/U][/FONT][/LEFT] [IMG]http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png[/IMG][/FONT][/LEFT] [/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#d3d3d3] to King George III, your pronunciation would have been much the same. At that time, American and British accents hadn't yet diverged. What's surprising, though, is that Hollywood costume dramas get it all wrong: The Patriots and the Redcoats spoke with accents that were much closer to the contemporary American accent than to the Queen's English.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#d3d3d3]It is the standard British accent that has drastically changed in the past two centuries, while the typical American accent has changed only subtly.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#d3d3d3]Traditional English, whether spoken in the British Isles or the [/COLOR][URL="http://www.livescience.com/32269-how-did-america-get-its-name.html"][COLOR=#d3d3d3]American colonies[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#d3d3d3], was largely "rhotic." Rhotic speakers pronounce the "R" sound in such words as "hard" and "winter," while non-rhotic speakers do not. Today, however, non-rhotic speech is common throughout most of Britain. For example, most modern Brits would tell you it's been a "hahd wintuh." [/COLOR][B][COLOR=#d3d3d3][[/COLOR][URL="http://www.livescience.com/33844-british-american-word-spelling.html"][COLOR=#d3d3d3]Why Do Brits and Americans Spell Words Differently?[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#d3d3d3]][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#d3d3d3]It was around the time of the American Revolution that non-rhotic speech came into use among the upper class in southern England, in and around London. According to John Algeo in "The Cambridge History of the English Language" (Cambridge [/COLOR][URL="http://www.livescience.com/33652-americans-brits-accents.html#"][COLOR=#d3d3d3][LEFT][FONT=inherit][LEFT][FONT=inherit][U]University[/U][/FONT][/LEFT] [IMG]http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png[/IMG][/FONT][/LEFT] [/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#d3d3d3] Press, 2001), this shift occurred because people of low birth rank who had become wealthy during the Industrial Revolution were seeking ways to distinguish themselves from other commoners; they cultivated the prestigious non-rhotic pronunciation in order to demonstrate their new [/COLOR][URL="http://www.livescience.com/16518-5-facts-wealthiest-1-percent.html"][COLOR=#d3d3d3]upper-class status[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#d3d3d3].[/COLOR] [COLOR=#d3d3d3]"London pronunciation became the prerogative of a new breed of specialists — orthoepists and [/COLOR][URL="http://www.livescience.com/33652-americans-brits-accents.html#"][COLOR=#d3d3d3][LEFT][FONT=inherit][LEFT][FONT=inherit][U]teachers[/U][/FONT][/LEFT] [IMG]http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png[/IMG][/FONT][/LEFT] [/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#d3d3d3] of elocution. The orthoepists decided upon correct pronunciations, compiled pronouncing dictionaries and, in private and expensive tutoring sessions, drilled enterprising citizens in fashionable articulation," Algeo wrote.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#d3d3d3]The lofty manner of speech developed by these specialists gradually became standardized — it is officially called "Received Pronunciation" — and it spread across Britain. However, people in the north of England, Scotland and Ireland have largely maintained their traditional rhotic accents. [/COLOR][B][COLOR=#d3d3d3][[/COLOR][URL="http://www.livescience.com/27017-gallery-a-treasure-trove-of-britain-s-old-newspapers.html"][COLOR=#d3d3d3]In Photos: A Treasure Trove of Britain's Old Newspapers[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#d3d3d3]][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#d3d3d3]Most American accents have also remained rhotic, with some exceptions: New York and Boston accents have become non-rhotic. According to Algeo, after the Revolutionary War, these cities were "under the strongest influence by the British elite."[/COLOR]

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#1691594Post 2 of 28

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History and Nationality are both very interesting subjects

Weird that the story carries a picture of an African family meeting a German woman ??

[IMG]http://i.livescience.com/images/i/000/049/184/i02/obamas-queen.jpg?1326160604[/IMG]

#1691596Post 3 of 28

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[QUOTE=audrey_w;1096798]

Weird that the story carries a picture of an African family meeting a German woman ?? [/QUOTE]

Only to the extent that it shows how much a persons environment influences how they speak I suppose.

#1691598Post 4 of 28

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I don't think a picture can show us much about environments' influence on speech

#1691599Post 5 of 28

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Ok. What is that you find "weird" about a photo of the President of the United States meeting with the Queen of England in an article that discusses why American's and Brits have different accents? Are you saying the Obama's didn't grow up in America and the Queen didn't grow up in England? Because of course they did, and that's why they have the accents they have.

#1691627Post 6 of 28

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I didn't know the English accent was spoken to appear more upper class but it makes sense, even now that accent sounds very uppity; there is an 'airiness and lightness' that makes it appear as though the speaker is above it all.

The Singaporean accent is indecipherable when we speak English. Back in the day when people began to return from abroad, they would also speak with an adopted accent, sometimes in a very fake manner, to differentiate themselves. I found that quite irritating and offensive.

I often struggle with accents since I'm a foreigner everywhere, but made a conscious effort to NOT pick up any accent.

As a writer I communicate a lot better with the written language than spoken, and my accent doesn't help my case. The lack of an easily recognised and understood accent is also a hazard at work because a native English speaker will always be skeptical of a writer who doesn't speak/sound native.

#1691877Post 7 of 28

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Take a bunch of dirty chavs, stick them on an island and let them breed for 225 (?)years and you have the nasal sounding Australian. (Pronounced 'strayan)

#1691879Post 8 of 28

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1096803]Ok. What is that you find "weird" about a photo of the President of the United States meeting with the Queen of England in an article that discusses why American's and Brits have different accents? Are you saying the Obama's didn't grow up in America and the Queen didn't grow up in England? Because of course they did, and that's why they have the accents they have.[/QUOTE]

If a dog is born in a barn it doesn't make it horse!

#1691880Post 9 of 28

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Those who speak singlish say la

#1691887Post 10 of 28

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1096803]Ok. What is that you find "weird" about a photo of the President of the United States meeting with the Queen of England in an article that discusses why American's and Brits have different accents? Are you saying the Obama's didn't grow up in America and the Queen didn't grow up in England? Because of course they did, and that's why they have the accents they have.[/QUOTE]

Not so much a weird photo, just a weird association. Our views of nationality and nationalism are clearly so far apart as to make it difficult to discuss. Let's just say that I believe we are all human beings, after that it's mostly conditioning of peoples' perceptions that create differences where truly there are none.

Just as an aside, as language is part of what we are discussing, can you tell me why you add an apostrophe in error when talking of [I]American's[/I] and [I]Obama's[/I] but you don't when you talk of Brits and the Queen?

#1691900Post 11 of 28

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^Not "Brits" was because the title of the article didn't add an apostrophe to "Brits" so I took that authors lead on that one... it's not a word I have used very much. In the future I shall think of you Audrey and always add a " ' " if and when I ever type the word "Brit's" again.

[url="http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=1020903"]One Brit, two Brits, or two Brit's? - WordReference Forums[/url]

Not adding an "apostrophe" to the end of Queen??? where should I have?

#1691901Post 12 of 28

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[QUOTE=Chez;1097167]If a dog is born in a barn it doesn't make it horse![/QUOTE]

That literally makes no sense at all. I don't compare human beings race to different breeds of animal, sorry.

#1691903Post 13 of 28

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[QUOTE=audrey_w;1097177] Let's just say that I believe we are all human beings, after that it's mostly conditioning of peoples' perceptions that create differences where truly there are none. [/QUOTE]

So are you saying you think it's not a coincidence that the publisher of that article chose that photo? I guess I didn't read into the photo as much as you did. I still don't fully understand how the photo doesn't represent 3 individuals, 2 of which have different accents.

#1691916Post 14 of 28

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1097201]That literally makes no sense at all. I don't compare human beings race to different breeds of animal, sorry.[/QUOTE]

and thats where you are going wrong, Just because you are born somewhere you don't have no right to say this is mine. What sort of cunt thinks human beings are different to any other animals .

#1691917Post 15 of 28

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[QUOTE=Chez;1097222] What sort of cunt thinks human beings are different to any other animals .[/QUOTE]

Evidently this cunt does. Sorry you have to resort to name calling in order to get your point across. Good luck with that.

#1691921Post 16 of 28

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I didn't call anyone a cunt, but if the cap fits, unless of course what I said was true.

#1691932Post 17 of 28

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:shock: I. dont; eve....n

#1691943Post 18 of 28

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smells a bit chunky in hurrrr

#1691947Post 19 of 28

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I remember watching fresh prince of bel air in the 90's and in one show a distant relative from England visited and called wil Smith's square bear cousin a wanker....it wasn't even beeped out...

That's more of a vocabulary issue though.

#1691950Post 20 of 28

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1097200]^Not "Brits" was because the title of the article didn't add an apostrophe to "Brits" so I took that authors lead on that one... it's not a word I have used very much. In the future I shall think of you Audrey and always add a " ' " if and when I ever type the word "Brit's" again. [/QUOTE]

And you'd be wrong. There is no need for an apostrophe within Brits here, neither is one needed in American's ?? It doesn't make any sense. Interesting that you followed the lead of the author, but then say "I took that [I]authors[/I] lead on that one" and miss out the apostrophe where one is required. "The Obama's grew up in America" doesn't make sense either.

[QUOTE=floridaorange;1097200] In the future I shall think of you Audrey and always add a " ' " if and when I ever type the word "Brit's" again. [/QUOTE]

A touch of sarcasm? I hope not, I hope i've been some help.

[QUOTE=floridaorange;1097200] Not adding an "apostrophe" to the end of Queen??? where should I have?[/QUOTE]

In this instance, no need. Maybe one day, once you get the hang of the Queen's English (for example)

Hope you don't think i'm being pedantic or anything, but in a discussion about the divergence and bastardisation of language, I think there is a relevance.

#1691959Post 21 of 28

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^You remind me of my mentor from my days in Commercial Real Estate Investing, he was completely American, but very very, very proud of his German heritage. He too likes to point out punctuation errors online sometimes. I guess everyone needs a hobby.

#1691966Post 22 of 28

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Haha that's very funny, and I'm sure it's true.

You remind me of a guy I once knew who was mute but managed to get a job with Royal Mail. He'd spend every waking hour posting other people's shit but never managed to say anything. :)

#1691968Post 23 of 28

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[QUOTE=audrey_w;1097291] You remind me of a guy I once knew who was mute but managed to get a job with Royal Mail. He'd spend every waking hour posting other people's shit but never managed to say anything. :)[/QUOTE]

I'm sure Postman Pat didn't spend his day rating Birthday Threads a 5 and bumping TFI threads! Everyone has to have a hobby I suppose.

#1691969Post 24 of 28

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Off to the White Island tomorrow, so in before the lock

#1691970Post 25 of 28

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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/e15lc1X.gif[/IMG]

#1691972Post 26 of 28

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audrey_w this is gonna kill you cos I had a really bad reaction to it:

[IMG]http://dm.victoriassecret.com/imagefeatures/723x400/1266586749086/20130718-cp-bra-bbv.jpg[/IMG]

#1691977Post 27 of 28

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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/e15lc1X.gif[/IMG]

#1691997Post 28 of 28

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awwwww, mimickery is the highest form of flattery. thanks doll. :)

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