[ms] · Est. May 2002
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Anyone read this?
[url="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/books/dr-eben-alexanders-tells-of-near-death-in-proof-of-heaven.html?_r=0"]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/books/dr-eben-alexanders-tells-of-near-death-in-proof-of-heaven.html?_r=0[/url]
I first read it on Wired.com (but now I can't find the article) and it also included an animation that describes his experience. It's not that this is "just another" NDE, it's the caliber of the person experiencing it. Intriguing to say the least.
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I think when you have an experience of that magnitude, it affects you strongly. So it doesn't matter who it is, an average person or a brilliant neurosurgeon. Who knows whether what he saw was real or just produced by his brain, there really isn't a way to tell.
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Dmt
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at some point his neocortex had to start to flutter chemical interactions and electrical charges once more. At that very point in time a millisecond may have seemed like an eternity, any vision seem real and any sound or feeling authentic.
we have all experienced dropping off into a dream that was merely seconds and seemed like hours and appeared very real- only recalling parts of the dream on awakening.
Rarely (if ever) does someone from a christian upbringing have an experience like this and say they saw a Hindu god, or Allah or a buddhist image. And vice versa. They only report what has been around them their entire lives. Hence their memories or interprtations of what they experienced are entirely influenced by environment and previous experince.
Like jenks says. DMT. !
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[QUOTE=Huggie Smiles;1073656]Rarely (if ever) does someone from a christian upbringing have an experience like this and say they saw a Hindu god, or Allah or a buddhist image. And vice versa. They only report what has been around them their entire lives. Hence their memories or interprtations of what they experienced are entirely influenced by environment and previous experince[/QUOTE]
You should see that animation, no where does he refer to Jesus, he just refers to a place of pure happiness and love, which he believes is heaven.
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Read it - believe it.
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It's funny, I just went to youtube searching for the animation and under one of the videos, I saw these comments :lol:
MrSizeTwelve 1 month ago DMT trip.
taliskwackerman 1 month ago obviously you don't know where hallucinations come from.......read a little.
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I'm not reading his entire fucking book. This is the internet! ;)
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[QUOTE=Huggie Smiles;1073666]I'm not reading his entire fucking book. This is the internet! ;)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kamal;1073659]You should [B][U]see that animation[/U][/B], no where does he refer to Jesus, he just refers to a place of pure happiness and love, which he believes is heaven.[/QUOTE]
I miss something? :Rolling:
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my attempt at humour ?
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Didn't find just the animation - here it is starting at minute 0:40
[video=youtube;_dOlkKCXtB8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dOlkKCXtB8[/video]
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[QUOTE=Jenks;1073654]Dmt[/QUOTE]
haha i was about to post the same 3 letters...
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And that means ....... ????
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[QUOTE=unkle;1073697]And that means ....... ????[/QUOTE]
DMT = Dimethyltryptamine. It's a psychedelic compound your body emits when you die. Basically you go out tripping your fucking balls off. If for some reason you don't die, ie- near death experiences, then you live and get to tell everyone how beautiful and amazing and heavenly it was, which if you've ever done psychedelics- yeah they can be pretty fucking beautiful and amazing and heavenly.
[quote="Kamal"]It's not that this is "just another" NDE, it's the caliber of the person experiencing it.[/quote]
Disagree. He just gets a voice to publish his journey because he's a doctor.
[video=youtube;grcqs9cDuN8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grcqs9cDuN8[/video]
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^phenomenal stuff... I've done it a couple of times and I think its a must .. hah. Just type in "the world and its double by Terence McKenna", in youtube.. he has some very interesting things to say about it.[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRoL2BHdEp4[/URL] [QUOTE=Rawrmune;1073651]Who knows whether what he saw was real or just produced by his brain, there really isn't a way to tell.[/QUOTE]
When is it your brain, and when is it real... or is all the same..
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its what the soul saw and told the brain about, people die every night when they sleep, the only difference is that your soul dosent come back again when you die
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About the DMT being released when you die, I believe that's just a hypothesis that hasn't been proven. At least that's the conclusion I came to when researching it, I wasn't able to find any studies that were able to show it. DMT is found endogenously in most/all plants and animals (though in small amounts), and because people's recollections of DMT trips are so similar to people's descriptions of near death experiences, some hypothesize that near death experiences are caused an endogenous release of DMT.
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[QUOTE=trick12;1073720]its what the soul saw and told the brain about, people die every night when they sleep, the only difference is that your soul dosent come back again when you die[/QUOTE]
Good point,
I think there is no relationship, but, When you sleep the brain is the only part it doesn't, or relax to recover energy. Thats why you dream.
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[QUOTE=unkle;1073760]Good point,
I think there is no relationship, but, When you sleep the brain is the only part it doesn't, or relax to recover energy. Thats why you dream.[/QUOTE]
I honestly believe that, bearing in mind the concept of many worlds and the weirdness that is quantum entanglement, it could be that the sub-conscious mind has the ability to jump through your various lives in different worlds. The reason I believe that is because through every dream, the one constant that is always there is you, that somehow just doesn't seem to change, only the time and place seems to alter.
People say you dream about what you were thinking of, or events that happened during the course of the day. For me, that happens barely 10% of the times. Most of mine are random and occasionally I will see family members who have passed on. That is another weirdness of dreams and the sub-conscious mind i.e. to re-unite you with the people you knew / were close to, but have passed on.
Ordinarily, you will never see them in your dreams but if you do, I truly believe their (for lack of a better word) spirit has found a way to come back and just see you and provide a psychological band-aid of sorts, to let you know they're ok and there in fact, true to the title of this tread, is a journey after death.
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[QUOTE=Kamal;1073763]I honestly believe that, bearing in mind the concept of many worlds and the weirdness that is quantum entanglement, it could be that the sub-conscious mind has the ability to jump through your various lives in different worlds. The reason I believe that is because through every dream, the one constant that is always there is you, that somehow just doesn't seem to change, only the time and place seems to alter.[/QUOTE]
Thinking about that again, what if your sub-conscious mind didn't really jump to another time and place but dreamt of an event here on earth, it probably could be an explanation for why we experience Deja Vu.
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Read that last week but there's no way to prove or disprove that since nobody knows what was going on when he was in a coma. It's not like he was half-awake and using his skills as a neuroscientist to observe and assess what was going on. As another scientist in the article said, whether he is a neuroscientist or a plumber makes no difference.
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[QUOTE=feather;1073774] whether he is a neuroscientist or a plumber makes no difference.[/QUOTE]
I think the fact that he's a neuroscientist is used as credibility for advertising the story.
"Plumber Sees Signs of Afterlife While in a Coma" just doesn't have the same zing to it :lol:.
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Yup.
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Several experiences of people who have had an accident being in a coma, they say, They rose from the bed and turning around, They saw their own body still on bed. this is a very strange situation.
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[QUOTE=unkle;1073785]Several experiences of people who have had an accident being in a coma, they say, They rose from the bed and turning around, They saw their own body still on bed. this is a very strange situation.[/QUOTE]
astral projection, no strange at all. You can experience it without being in coma :)
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it doesnt matter!
we are all going to die before this day is out!!!
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[QUOTE=diegoff;1073916]astral projection, no strange at all. You can experience it without being in coma :)[/QUOTE]
Oh really, That happens to you often ??
Being drunk or high, doesn't count. :lol:
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hopefully more neuroscientists will come out now with their own story