Glad I grew up when I did and everything, but the production value of todays raves aka festivals are pretty amazing. Both sides can and will be argued. Which do you think is better? Why?

Raves then:

[video=youtube;58Dfl3UyXUc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Dfl3UyXUc[/video]

[video=youtube;iUGIvcyVfCM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUGIvcyVfCM[/video]

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Raves now:

[video=youtube;UWb5Qc-fBvk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWb5Qc-fBvk[/video]

[video=youtube;6ub_2yZL0Yo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ub_2yZL0Yo[/video]

[video=youtube;nV9HV3bkDa0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV9HV3bkDa0[/video]

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1062071]Glad I grew up when I did and everything, but the production value of todays raves aka festivals are pretty amazing. Both sides can and will be argued. Which do you think is better? Why?

Raves then:

[video=youtube;58Dfl3UyXUc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Dfl3UyXUc[/video]

[video=youtube;iUGIvcyVfCM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUGIvcyVfCM[/video]

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Raves now:

[video=youtube;UWb5Qc-fBvk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWb5Qc-fBvk[/video]

[video=youtube;6ub_2yZL0Yo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ub_2yZL0Yo[/video]

[video=youtube;nV9HV3bkDa0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV9HV3bkDa0[/video][/QUOTE]

i don't think u can compare the 2, doesn't matter how well set up things are, if the crowd has no energy for the music then sadly the event doesn't go off... back in the day everyone was going crazy, sadly you just don't get that at todays events

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I like the old raves, because it was about people who loved the music. It was pure.

I like the new raves, because the music reaches so many people. Offcourse the main stream gigs are not what I wan't but you can still find those smaller venues if you search for them. And I think that's nothing new, because those warehouse gigs back in the days were not easy to find too ^^.

btw: You quoted a Tomorrowland video, but the best thing about that festival is that there are 2 big stages and 10 little stages with underground music (La Rocca, Cafe D'Anvers, KozzMozz etc.) :).

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;1062075]i don't think u can compare the 2, doesn't matter how well set up things are, if the crowd has no energy for the music then sadly the event doesn't go off... back in the day everyone was going crazy, sadly you just don't get that at todays events[/QUOTE]

You just compared the two. :lol:

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The early day events were new, exciting and full of people that loved the music while taking good drugs.

These days its just full of people, some who love the music and some who are just there for a night out. The production of the new events has kind of replaced the original buzz to keep people interested.

Concept still the same but the energy has changed i think!

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1062087]You just compared the two. :lol:[/QUOTE]

:lol: my point was they are completely different... new raves/club nights suck because there is no energy left in the crowd

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The early days was something special, and really special as ecstacy was been consumed not only in large amounts but on its own, and everyone was just so friendly, while it lasted it was superb, but then the gansters got in on it and everyone went back to coke and rocks and it lost that magic.

Don't get me wrong, the music was excellent and also fresh and new, but let's not kid ourselves, it was all about that drug.

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Ahhhh I miss the days of Brassy's, AAHZ, MARZ, The Edge, The Abyss, Smileys Rave, Zen Festival, Infonet etc...Those were the days when the music was special and everyone was family (Peace, Love and Unity was the motto). I can't say that I actually get the same energy level now as I did back then. But I am 20 years older now (but I can still kick it)!

lol...just watched the SF video and the guy on the beach (or lake) is playing Acorn Arts - Body

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hBdfrsXyN8"]Acorn Arts - Body - YouTube[/url]

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My first thought was "I don't think kids today would have lasted that long at the raves of yore".

Some of those old parties would go for days. I think now they go from like noon to maybe 10 or 11pm. And then everyone gets a good night rest and shows up tomorrow.

I think the allure of the old-style raves was that you'd experience something completely fresh, stuff that you couldn't find anywhere else (like clubs or the radio, etc...). Everything was new, everything was special, nothing was commercial and everyone was free. Everything was organic and connected somehow.

Today, the volume of kids showing up to these parties is great but it lacks that je ne se quois component. As cool as some can be (particularly in Europe, and, well, pretty much only in Europe), the ones I've been to feel like one giant commercial for Tide. Everything bright, everything beautiful - but the brightness and the beauty is built in rather than there on its own as it is.

Last thought: imagine for a moment if the movie Groove was all about setting up a massive festival and Digweed finally showing up to play. Woulda been kinda boring.

Pretty sure I know where a majority of MSers would rather be if given the choice. lol

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Loved the underground vibes of Durban in the 90s - Would do pubs on the Friday night then go big on the Saturday - 330 was the club in Durban - spun some amazing music all night till about 10 in the morning then we would all move to a Sunday house party around a pool and carry on till 6 at night then sleep, work the week and start psyching yourself up for the next weekend.

I think I am a bit too old to travel around the world just to party but if I could - would love to go to Tomorrowland for the experience

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Everyhing in the past seems to be better than nowadays (I loved listening to HC at Pacha BsAs back in 2000-2001). I think it has to do with nostalgia and attachments to what we built as memories, leaving aside what we don´t like and filling them with goos feelings.

But... that video of tomorrowland is epic! I´ve never been to something that big. I´d go there as a tourist, but never in my hometown. I´m out of crowded places.

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I think that video of Tomorrowland looks shite!

The thing that was cool about the rave scene back in the day was you were doing something different, while the other kids at school, college, Uni, the office were going out and dancing with their Martinis and Mexican Beers with a poncy lime shoved in the top at some Disco that had been designed to look like a some gypsies idea of cool we were breaking into warehouses and fighting the police to get in, and then dropping copious amounts of pills over the next 24 hours while listening to music that simply had never been heard before.

You would sit in the office on a Monday morning listening to how 'Craig' got off his head on 10 pints and just laugh at the cunt.

It was an exclusive club that needed people to meet up from all over the country to make it happen and make it big enough, we were just a handful from each city who got it, and thefact you were into something that know one else knew about is what made it extra special.

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I wouldn't even call these raves at all - these are festivals and concerts and nothing more than that...it's all about watching the stage to see the dj and mass amt of crowds with high ticket prices, etc. Raves had more of a family aspect to them...we knew each other from attending events in the area or a span of a couple states and it was not about watching the dj on a stage but going to dance and enjoy what they are playing, making new friends into the music, sharing mixtapes, etc...more of a community aspect...i still don't get everyone facing the dj and not really dancing...raves we really had a great time dancing.

These are just simply mass events with large attendance...when people go home, that's it...they don't really connect with the other people there necessarily as we did at raves.

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[QUOTE=gizze;1062130]

The thing that was cool about the rave scene back in the day was you were doing something different.[/QUOTE]

I thought it was only nostalgia, but yes, you´re right in the spot

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[QUOTE=liquidsky;1062143]I wouldn't even call these raves at all - these are festivals and concerts and nothing more than that...it's all about watching the stage to see the dj and mass amt of crowds with high ticket prices, etc. Raves had more of a family aspect to them...we knew each other from attending events in the area or a span of a couple states and it was not about watching the dj on a stage but going to dance and enjoy what they are playing, making new friends into the music, sharing mixtapes, etc...more of a community aspect...i still don't get everyone facing the dj and not really dancing...raves we really had a great time dancing.

These are just simply mass events with large attendance...when people go home, that's it...they don't really connect with the other people there necessarily as we did at raves.[/QUOTE]

Ok, then I could change the title to:

Electronic Dance Music Events then VS. Electronic Dance Events now.

I understand the distinction you are trying to make about raves, but don't you think if people would have paid $75/person at a rave back in the old days, the promoters would have gladly accepted their money?

Florida didn't have warehouse raves, as much as we had clubs that were open until 5am, and raves like ZEN, which were outdoors.

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;1062075]i don't think u can compare the 2, doesn't matter how well set up things are, if the crowd has no energy for the music then sadly the event doesn't go off... back in the day everyone was going crazy, sadly you just don't get that at today’s events[/QUOTE]

Nail on the head. The scene is fucked and has been for a very long time. When was the last time anyone went to an event where it really went off? If I’m honest 2001, energy or animation on the dance floor, definitely around the same time. People actually integrating with each other these days, no chance. Everyone’s heads down face forward looking into the DJ booth like a pack of zombies. Are some kids popping pill’s and experiencing the Summer Of Love that people experienced in the 80’s and 90’s? No fucking way

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1062168] I understand the distinction you are trying to make about raves, but don't you think if people would have paid $75/person at a rave back in the old days, the promoters would have gladly accepted their money?
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People did pay £75 back in those days and would pay more if the event was worth the money.

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Ask any big name DJ from the 90's if the scene was better back then they will give you the same answer. They will tell you its different nowadays Which basically means yes but I want to keep this going as long as I can, as I'm used to a certain lifestyle that I couldn't sustain if I had to do a real job.

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1062168]Ok, then I could change the title to:

Electronic Dance Music Events then VS. Electronic Dance Events now.

I understand the distinction you are trying to make about raves, but don't you think if people would have paid $75/person at a rave back in the old days, the promoters would have gladly accepted their money?

Florida didn't have warehouse raves, as much as we had clubs that were open until 5am, and raves like ZEN, which were outdoors.[/QUOTE]

Look at it this way: Hawtin once could throw parties with nothing but a few massive speakers and a strobe light. I can't imagine people into EDM would be into that.

I guess, maybe, to use an analogy that may make sense, it would be the difference between a woman who wants to marry so she can have a big ring and a big wedding party and a woman who wants to marry because she's head over heels with the guy. Not sure if that will make sense, but it's worth a shot.

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WTF happened to Butter Head

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^I dunno Chunky, you tell me what you did to get your other account banned. :mrgreen:

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;1062485]^I dunno Chunky, you tell me what you did to get your other account banned. :mrgreen:[/QUOTE]

Thats the funny thing that account wasn't me

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BTW what happened to john's?

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[video=youtube;bM3xf87CbIQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM3xf87CbIQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/video]

raves then...

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The one good thing about the new videos is that I don't hear all the twats blowing their whistles to the beat. That used to drive me crazy. SHUT UP already and choke on that damn thing, FFS

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^so true :roflmao:

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[QUOTE=threehills;1062533]The one good thing about the new videos is that I don't hear all the twats blowing their whistles to the beat. That used to drive me crazy. SHUT UP already and choke on that damn thing, FFS[/QUOTE]

or woot woot woot woot woot woot... i fucking hate that lol

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Raves are defintely different now than they were 15 years ago when I started going. A lot more commercialization, mainstream sponsors these days, all kinds of things. Things are pointing up and getting more popular and this is what happens as a result. Adapt or die, someone said.

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Albeit raves are a lot more on a label promotion and sponsorship driven events. I think you can truly say nothing will change in the fact that there will always be one stage with two to three decks with a crowd there for the music and a crowd there to just hangout. I do believe warehouse parties and club nights have not changed much, obviously depending on who you're seeing and where you are seeing them at.

It's hard to compare the then and now as much has changed with the type of music genres and the elaboration of visual effects. But believe me if Richie Hawtin shows up with a foldable table with a set of decks and a strobe light that's a party for anyone any day.

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[FONT=arial]DESTRUCTO "LA FUNKY" <<first track off that holy ship video, hot shit![/FONT]

[FONT=arial]love the old shit, love the new shit , you guys reminisce over old times like a bunch of retired women [COLOR=#333333] :)

[/COLOR]disclaimer: went to my first "rave" in chicago back in 99.[COLOR=#333333] [/COLOR][/FONT]

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that track's a classic. I had a couple Acorn Arts vinyls. I used to frequent all those parties you listed, too, even though I lived in ATL. I do miss those days, not the least of all because I was a crazy kid in my 20s ;)