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I guess he's not worried about burning bridges

20 durable postsStarted 2012-03-14Latest 2012-03-15
#116094Post 1 of 20

[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/14/opinion/why-i-am-leaving-goldman-sachs.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all[/URL]

TODAY is my last day at Goldman Sachs. After almost 12 years at the firm — first as a summer intern while at Stanford, then in New York for 10 years, and now in London — I believe I have worked here long enough to understand the trajectory of its culture, its people and its identity. And I can honestly say that the environment now is as toxic and destructive as I have ever seen it.

To put the problem in the simplest terms, the interests of the client continue to be sidelined in the way the firm operates and thinks about making money. Goldman Sachs is one of the world’s largest and most important investment banks and it is too integral to global finance to continue to act this way. The firm has veered so far from the place I joined right out of college that I can no longer in good conscience say that I identify with what it stands for.

It might sound surprising to a skeptical public, but culture was always a vital part of Goldman Sachs’s success. It revolved around teamwork, integrity, a spirit of humility, and always doing right by our clients. The culture was the secret sauce that made this place great and allowed us to earn our clients’ trust for 143 years. It wasn’t just about making money; this alone will not sustain a firm for so long. It had something to do with pride and belief in the organization. I am sad to say that I look around today and see virtually no trace of the culture that made me love working for this firm for many years. I no longer have the pride, or the belief.

But this was not always the case. For more than a decade I recruited and mentored candidates through our grueling interview process. I was selected as one of 10 people (out of a firm of more than 30,000) to appear on our recruiting video, which is played on every college campus we visit around the world. In 2006 I managed the summer intern program in sales and trading in New York for the 80 college students who made the cut, out of the thousands who applied.

I knew it was time to leave when I realized I could no longer look students in the eye and tell them what a great place this was to work.

When the history books are written about Goldman Sachs, they may reflect that the current chief executive officer, Lloyd C. Blankfein, and the president, Gary D. Cohn, lost hold of the firm’s culture on their watch. I truly believe that this decline in the firm’s moral fiber represents the single most serious threat to its long-run survival.

Over the course of my career I have had the privilege of advising two of the largest hedge funds on the planet, five of the largest asset managers in the United States, and three of the most prominent sovereign wealth funds in the Middle East and Asia. My clients have a total asset base of more than a trillion dollars. I have always taken a lot of pride in advising my clients to do what I believe is right for them, even if it means less money for the firm. This view is becoming increasingly unpopular at Goldman Sachs. Another sign that it was time to leave.

How did we get here? The firm changed the way it thought about leadership. Leadership used to be about ideas, setting an example and doing the right thing. Today, if you make enough money for the firm (and are not currently an ax murderer) you will be promoted into a position of influence.

What are three quick ways to become a leader? a) Execute on the firm’s “axes,” which is Goldman-speak for persuading your clients to invest in the stocks or other products that we are trying to get rid of because they are not seen as having a lot of potential profit. b) “Hunt Elephants.” In English: get your clients — some of whom are sophisticated, and some of whom aren’t — to trade whatever will bring the biggest profit to Goldman. Call me old-fashioned, but I don’t like selling my clients a product that is wrong for them. c) Find yourself sitting in a seat where your job is to trade any illiquid, opaque product with a three-letter acronym.

Today, many of these leaders display a Goldman Sachs culture quotient of exactly zero percent. I attend derivatives sales meetings where not one single minute is spent asking questions about how we can help clients. It’s purely about how we can make the most possible money off of them. If you were an alien from Mars and sat in on one of these meetings, you would believe that a client’s success or progress was not part of the thought process at all.

It makes me ill how callously people talk about ripping their clients off. Over the last 12 months I have seen five different managing directors refer to their own clients as “muppets,” sometimes over internal e-mail. Even after the S.E.C., [URL="http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/04/email_from_goldmans_fabulous_f.html"]Fabulous Fab[/URL], Abacus,[URL="http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2009/11/09/goldman-sachs-blankfein-on-banking-doing-gods-work/"]God’s work[/URL], Carl Levin, [URL="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405"]Vampire Squids[/URL]? No humility? I mean, come on. Integrity? It is eroding. I don’t know of any illegal behavior, but will people push the envelope and pitch lucrative and complicated products to clients even if they are not the simplest investments or the ones most directly aligned with the client’s goals? Absolutely. Every day, in fact. It astounds me how little senior management gets a basic truth: If clients don’t trust you they will eventually stop doing business with you. It doesn’t matter how smart you are.

These days, the most common question I get from junior analysts about derivatives is, “How much money did we make off the client?” It bothers me every time I hear it, because it is a clear reflection of what they are observing from their leaders about the way they should behave. Now project 10 years into the future: You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that the junior analyst sitting quietly in the corner of the room hearing about “muppets,” “ripping eyeballs out” and “getting paid” doesn’t exactly turn into a model citizen.

When I was a first-year analyst I didn’t know where the bathroom was, or how to tie my shoelaces. I was taught to be concerned with learning the ropes, finding out what a derivative was, understanding finance, getting to know our clients and what motivated them, learning how they defined success and what we could do to help them get there.

My proudest moments in life — getting a full scholarship to go from South Africa to Stanford University, being selected as a Rhodes Scholar national finalist, winning a bronze medal for table tennis at the Maccabiah Games in Israel, known as the Jewish Olympics — have all come through hard work, with no shortcuts. Goldman Sachs today has become too much about shortcuts and not enough about achievement. It just doesn’t feel right to me anymore.

I hope this can be a wake-up call to the board of directors. Make the client the focal point of your business again. Without clients you will not make money. In fact, you will not exist. Weed out the morally bankrupt people, no matter how much money they make for the firm. And get the culture right again, so people want to work here for the right reasons. People who care only about making money will not sustain this firm — or the trust of its clients — for very much longer.

Greg Smith is resigning today as a Goldman Sachs executive director and head of the firm’s United States equity derivatives business in Europe, the Middle East and Africa.

#1599387Post 2 of 20

Re: Why I am leaving Goldman Sachs

greed is an ugly characteristic that far too many firms, politicians and even normal people fall into. it's understandable and honorable that you're leaving for the reasons you've shared and best of luck to you in your future endeavors, feather!

#1599389Post 3 of 20

Re: Why I am leaving Goldman Sachs

Sorry I posted the title of the article, I never worked for Goldman Sachs :what Let's see if I can change the title.

#1599390Post 4 of 20

Re: I guess he's not worried about burning bridges

lol! on the contrary, i guess i should have actually clicked on the article.

i was wondering why "you said you lived in london." not very close to singapore. :p and here i was looking forward to challenging you to a table tennis duel!

#1599393Post 5 of 20

Re: I guess he's not worried about burning bridges

hes probably sitting on a million dollars in cash and many more in stocks - so even if no one hires him - he'll be ok!.

Maybe hes starting his own company and wants 'clients' to know they will be treated better at the new place rather than G.S.

#1599395Post 6 of 20

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[QUOTE=Huggie Smiles;1027816]h Maybe hes starting his own company and wants 'clients' to know they will be treated better at the new place rather than G.S.[/QUOTE]

Good point.

#1599399Post 7 of 20

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[IMG]http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/yes-rudy1.gif[/IMG]

#1599403Post 8 of 20

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[QUOTE=Huggie Smiles;1027816]hes probably sitting on a million dollars in cash and many more in stocks - so even if no one hires him - he'll be ok!.

[B]Maybe hes starting his own company and wants 'clients' to know they will be treated better at the new place rather than G.S.[/B][/QUOTE]

[B]bingo[/B]

it's a great advertisement. really effective. You don't think someone as intelligent as him would just go 'burn bridges' without having considered how to take advantage of his move?

#1599404Post 9 of 20

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[QUOTE=Huggie Smiles;1027816]hes probably sitting on a million dollars in cash and many more in stocks - so even if no one hires him - he'll be ok!.

Maybe hes starting his own company and wants 'clients' to know they will be treated better at the new place rather than G.S.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=88Mariner;1027828][B]bingo[/B]

it's a great advertisement. really effective. You don't think someone as intelligent as him would just go 'burn bridges' without having considered how to take advantage of his move?[/QUOTE]

+1

if he takes advantage for a good cause its even better

#1599457Post 10 of 20

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[url]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-14/yes-mr-smith-goldman-sachs-is-all-about-making-money-view.html[/url]

^ Good response here. :lol:

[h=1]Yes, Mr. Smith, Goldman Sachs Is All About Making Money: View[/h][quote] Apparently, when [URL="http://topics.bloomberg.com/greg-smith/"]Greg Smith[/URL] arrived at [URL="http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/GS:US"]Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS)[/URL] almost 12 years ago, the legendary investment firm was something like the Make-A-Wish Foundation -- existing only to bring light and peace and happiness to the world. Smith, who was executive director and head of the firm’s U.S. equity derivatives business in[URL="http://topics.bloomberg.com/europe/"]Europe[/URL], the [URL="http://topics.bloomberg.com/middle-east/"]Middle East[/URL] and [URL="http://topics.bloomberg.com/africa/"]Africa[/URL], does not go into details in his already notorious op-ed article in Wednesday’s New York Times, “[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/14/opinion/why-i-am-leaving-goldman-sachs.html"]Why I Am Leaving Goldman Sachs[/URL].” But one imagines Goldman bankers spending their days delivering fresh flowers to elderly shut-ins and providing shelters for abandoned cats. Serving clients was paramount. “It wasn’t just about making money,” Smith writes. “It had something to do with pride and belief in the organization.”[/quote]

#1599462Post 11 of 20

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Here's another nice letter, probably doesn't deserve its own thread:

[URL]http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jw_on_tech/archive/2012/03/13/why-i-left-google.aspx[/URL]

#1599463Post 12 of 20

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So is this a new trend now?

Whinging about why you left a large corporation.

Oh.. how interesting.

#1599492Post 13 of 20

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[QUOTE=tiddles;1027903]Here's another nice letter, probably doesn't deserve its own thread:[URL]http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jw_on_tech/archive/2012/03/13/why-i-left-google.aspx[/URL][/QUOTE][QUOTE=Illuminate;1027907]So is this a new trend now?Whinging about why you left a large corporation. Oh.. how interesting.[/QUOTE]Exactly. The weaksacue post above sounds like he is all QQ about Google instituting Google Plus results into your personalized search results. Joining in on the current internet butthurt trend of 'holy shit Google wants to integrate all of their products for my account so they can sell moar ads to me!!!' OMG they are satan and trying to make money. Get over it.Here is another from today: [URL="http://venturebeat.com/2012/03/14/yammer-ceo-says-he-wont-hire-anyone-from-yahoo-who-doesnt-quit-in-next-60-days/"] http://venturebeat.com/2012/03/14/yammer-ceo-says-he-wont-hire-anyone-from-yahoo-who-doesnt-quit-in-next-60-days/[/URL]

Some doucher from some shit company says he wont hire anyone from Yahoo if they don't quit within the next 60 days due to their patent lawsuit against Facebook. If he wasnt just being a poser he wouldn't hire anyone from Google or Apple for a damn minute either since they are doing the same thing right now. But it is ok because Yahoo isn't 'cool' anymore. Piss off.

:crash:

#1599497Post 14 of 20

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^Lulz.

His face says it all.

Just a bunch of annoying middle aged businessmen trying to get some mid-life recognition. Because Oh how they're worried about the internet generation.

Anyways, how is that hedge fund going?

#1599498Post 15 of 20

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But seriously, who does not work to make money? No mater how you make it, you will always try to make some more.

#1599503Post 16 of 20

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^yupp

#1599504Post 17 of 20

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Ive been working in an investment banking for more than a decade - you don't believe a single word by GS nor an ex-GS employee. He used to be the head of equity trading for more than half of the planet and knew well the industry is all about fucking up clients. The City rumour goes the guy wasn't paid as much as he expected an 8-digit bonus.

#1599506Post 18 of 20

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[url]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-14/goldman-sachs-memo-response-to-today-s-new-york-times-op-ed.html[/url]

Respnse from Lloyd Blankfein above.

Also heard chat the bonuses were not up to snuff this year.

#1599522Post 19 of 20

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[QUOTE=foreks;1027951]Ive been working in an investment banking for more than a decade - you don't believe a single word by GS nor an ex-GS employee. He used to be the head of equity trading for more than half of the planet and knew well the industry is all about fucking up clients. The City rumour goes the guy wasn't paid as much as he expected an 8-digit bonus.[/QUOTE]

It did sound a bit like a whiney spoiled brat rant. And when these kids don't get their way financially they do become brats. My cousin in law worked at Goldman Sachs. :lol: I worked in investment real estate brokerage which isn't the same thing, but you know.

#1599580Post 20 of 20

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why GS is hated within trading industry is it is more like an orded like Teutonic Knights or Knights Templar who "in the name of doing God's work" fuck everybody in the ass with [B]insider dealing and strong political will[/B]. GS is not an ordinary investment house - it's a [B]military arm[/B] of US administration foreign policy in global finances. it is GS guys who overturned Greek and Italian governments and filled vacancies for Prime Ministers with ex-GS guys. the new ECB president is a former GS head for Italy of course :twisted:[h=3][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar"][/URL][/h]

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