Anybody know if the OEM previews that have been handed out to PC manufacturers have found their way to torrent sites then? Would be interesting to try this out on a spare drive.
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So Windows 8 then...
39 durable postsStarted 2011-04-09Latest 2012-03-07
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Not sure if it's that far into development? Apparently they're trialling the "ribbon interface" that is used in the Office suite. So, this would be used for general navigation and functions.
Some leaked pics here: [url]http://mashable.com/2011/04/03/windows-8-leaked-pics/[/url]
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They need to either make that ribbon vertical or get manufacturers to stop making stupid short wide monitors so it leaves more than 7 usable pixels.
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[url]http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2011/04/12/new-build-of-windows-8-leaked/[/url]
it's out, looking forward to download it.
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[QUOTE=Kamal;945263][url]http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2011/04/12/new-build-of-windows-8-leaked/[/url]
it's out, looking forward to download it.[/QUOTE]
Congrats on the world cup by the way :)
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Yup, it's the Milestone 1 from late September 2010 so I won't be expecting anything drastic. Will still be installing it to a VM and having a poke tho.
What I am finding funny is that already even with with this very early development build, there are people on forums already calling it the next Me/Vista. The RTM is still a very long way off and no doubt loads of extras and changes are still being worked on. Muppets.
However, one thing I would say Microsoft should start doing, and that is inexpensive interim OS releases. i.e, a major release and then a few years down the line the interim release which is a third/quarter of the price of the major release (for existing users anyway). As it is the upgrade prices are still quite steep. If Windows 7 is going to work fine for me to able to skip a release then I don't see why I would want to shell out the full premium (or even the upgrade price) for 8.
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Just installed the M1 leak. Wouldn't bother with it as yet, virtually no visible differences to 7 as yet (even all the screens refer to it as Windows 7 Enterprise) apart from the Windows Live icon in the bottom right and higher build number.
[img]http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x424/vrosax64/Screen1.jpg[/img]
And that's as really as exciting as it gets, folks.
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craps! I'm so out of it..didn't even know new window was suppose to come out. :Laugh:
[video=youtube;NjYbDr23KlQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjYbDr23KlQ&feature=player_embedded#at=114[/video] interesting
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Ribbons:annoying, takes too much room when you have a 17" laptop. But, everything windows based now has a ribbon. Fantastic.
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Well, I would say there is a long way to go until Windows 8 beta's surface and there's plenty of time for changes, tweaks and enhancements. If the ribbon proves more of a hindrance than help then it may be change.
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Build 7955 leaked and due any minute now here:
[url]http://digiex.net/downloads/download-center-2-0/applications/8397-windows-8-build-7955-download-6-2-7955-0-fbl_sev_wdacxml-110228-1930_x86.html[/url]
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[url]http://www.ribbonhero.com/[/url]
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[QUOTE=demonAfro;949622][url]http://www.ribbonhero.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
whats that?
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[QUOTE=Kamal;949720]whats that?[/QUOTE]
It's a "game" from the Office people that you "play" in Word starring Clippy and trying to get people to use the ribbon.
Ribbon is still lame though.
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From the sounds of it, you will be able to switch the Ribbon off for Windows Explorer (at the moment it's not actually switched on in Windows 8 unless you change a register key - which probably means it'll also be present in the RTM) so either way you prefer will be catered for.
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[QUOTE=Simon Preston;949103]Build 7955 leaked and due any minute now here:
[url]http://digiex.net/downloads/download-center-2-0/applications/8397-windows-8-build-7955-download-6-2-7955-0-fbl_sev_wdacxml-110228-1930_x86.html[/url][/QUOTE]
ty. dl now
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brb... microsoft
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[url]http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/home/[/url]
Developer Preview released today. I'm liking how snappy and responsive it feels. However, the tiles menu can go do one for all I care. No place for it in a desktop. If they have completely abandoned the old Start Menu for this then I may as well stick with Windows 7.
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check outhis desktop ! [IMG]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/17/2011/09/1330-fd-assasin_s-creed-infopanel-desktop.jpg[/IMG]
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Look pretty good. I want!
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Hmm the desktop UI looks like a combination of Bing and Windows Mobile, but the guts of the system, the rest of the windows and dialog boxes and everything, is still from previous versions. Would be nice if they can reconcile both into the flatter, more modern look.
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I probably got a little overexcited before I sat down and thought about it, with my previous post. This is a developer preview given out to people developing for tablets. Therefore it makes perfect sense that it is tablet orientated on install by default. I'm quietly confident that on setup with the full version it will ask if you wish to use the Metro UI. We'll see when the beta lands.
There's a long way to go and it's important to remember these are still alpha editions. The finished product will be a lot more refined.
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Oh it's for tablet. My bad.
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you can delete a dll and convert it to a standard windows8 desktop install.
Edit: Just did a search, just rename "shsxs.dll"
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I do like the new look, but it makes sense that it's for a tablet.
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Yeahp.
They're really targeting the tablet scene these days as Microsoft is the only one left behind. Makes sense as it has huge potential. But I think they should start focusing more on a business UI e.g apps, office etc. Rather than focus more of a social networking and internet browsing functionality.
Don't worry about the audio: [video=youtube;59mP3R4I8wU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59mP3R4I8wU[/video]
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[QUOTE=Kamal;989450]you can delete a dll and convert it to a standard windows8 desktop install.
Edit: Just did a search, just rename "shsxs.dll"[/QUOTE]
Slightly more elegant solution is to open regedit and navigating here:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\
then changing the value of RPEnabled to 0 instead of 1
To reenable, switch back to 1.
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Microsoft seems to be playing catch up to a lot of successful innovations of late. First, it was targeting the PS when they launched the XBox, then when Apple dominated the iPhone market via their iOS, it's Windows 7 phones - even though they had cruddy releases of Windows releases in the past, they didn't give a shit about the mobile market until Apple came out, jaws wide open and everything, and swallowed more than anything the rest of the industry was yet to nibble on.
Now it's the Tablet market.
Granted they kicked Sony's ass with sales of PS3 vs. the XBox 360 but that Mango OS crap and now this mind-fuckingly confusing interface for windows 8 tablet (which has carried over from their lousy Windows 7 mobile interface) I fear is not going to make headway (at least in the short term) ESPECIALLY if the iPhone 5 with iOS 5 comes out with rocket launchers blazing.
Imagine the draw of the iPhone where more than 50% of people polled said they were holding off phone upgrades to get a product (i.e. iPhone5) which has not been officially acknowledged to exist by the company. That isn't something to just say "yea that's cool", that's effing GENIUS.
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Well Microsoft has been playing catch-up since ... the internet :lol:
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Seriously mate, and if it wasn't for the bloody wake left by the proliferation / domination (imagine saying that) of the Windows platform in desktop PCs segment (ok let's also give MS Office a pat on the back), there much the company needs to do in order redefine itself.
Heck once you've used the above hack to change the mobile view of Windows 8 to classic Windows 7-ish, it's the exact same OS.
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MS Office is looking pretty shit these days too.
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[QUOTE=Kamal;989839] Heck once you've used the above hack to change the mobile view of Windows 8 to classic Windows 7-ish, it's the exact same OS.[/QUOTE]
I'd say that's a somewhat unfair judgement to be making at this stage. This isn't even a beta and many changes are usually under the hood at this stage, as opposed to the "in your face - ah yes, that's different" parts. Any new features and additions will be incorporated at a later date. Besides, I have seen earlier builds that did have various differences between it and Windows 7. Windows 7 is a bloody good OS and it's important for Microsoft to continue building on that and moving it in the right direction. Of course 8 is basically going to be 7 with a bit more, why wouldn't it be?
Microsoft's made some bad mistakes over the years, but lately they really seem to have finally realised their position is under threat and working to make the whole PC experience a lot better for the consumer. Having Apple in a very strong position again is all good for us. ;)
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Dont' get me wrong Si, I love Windows 7 as much as the next M$ fan-boi, but to have taken 17 years to release an OS that was an all rounder from launch, shouldn't be considered as a real pat on the back for them. Granted XP was ahead of its time but it had it's flaws (I hated the native look of XP). The launch of Windows 7 for Microsoft was better than any OS release and in my opinion, is a solid MS product.
Most releases from M$ of late have been to play catch up. This isn't anything revolutionary or even evolutionary, it's self-inducing change for the sake of making something "new" to keep in the running, be it a little bit of the same old thing with a fancy new top hat.
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This is going to be interesting...
[QUOTE][h=1]The Kill Switch Comes to the PC[/h] [h=2]A feature common in phones will let Microsoft remotely disable malware[/h]Janne Kytömäki, a Finnish software developer, was cruising Google’s Android Market for smartphone apps last year when he noticed something strange. Dozens of best-selling applications suddenly listed the same wrong publisher. It was as if Stephen King’s name had vanished from the covers of his books, replaced by an unknown author. Kytömäki realized the culprit was a piece of malware that was spreading quickly, and he posted his findings online. Google responded swiftly. It flipped a little-known kill switch, reaching into more than 250,000 infected Android smartphones and forcibly removing the malicious code. “It was sort of unreal, watching something like that unfold,” says Kytömäki, who makes dice simulator apps. Kill switches are a standard part of most smartphones, tablets, and e-readers. Google, Apple, and Amazon all have the ability to reach into devices to delete illicit content or edit code without users’ permission. It’s a powerful way to stop threats that spread quickly, but it’s also a privacy and security land mine. With the rollout of the Windows 8 operating system expected later this year, millions of desktop and laptop PCs will get kill switches for the first time. Microsoft hasn’t spoken publicly about its reasons for including this capability in Windows 8 beyond a cryptic warning that it might be compelled to use it for legal or security reasons. The feature was publicized in a widely cited [I]Computerworld[/I] article in December when Microsoft posted the terms of use for its new application store, a feature in Windows 8 that will allow users to download software from a Microsoft-controlled portal. Windows smartphones, like those of its competitors, have included kill switches for several years, though software deletion “is a last resort, and it’s uncommon,” says Todd Biggs, director of product management for Windows Phone Marketplace. Microsoft declined to answer questions about the kill switch in Windows 8 other than to say it will only be able to remove or change applications downloaded through the new app store. Any software loaded from a flash drive, DVD, or directly from the Web will remain outside Microsoft’s control. Still, the kill switch is a tool that could help Microsoft prevent mass malware infections. “For most users, the ability to remotely remove apps is a good thing,” says Charlie Miller, a researcher with the security company Accuvant. The history of kill switches on smartphones and e-readers suggests they’re double-edged swords for the companies that wield them. In 2009, Amazon reached into users’ Kindles to delete e-book copies of George Orwell’s [I]1984[/I] and [I]Animal Farm[/I] that had been sold by a publisher without the necessary rights. The ensuing backlash caused Amazon Chief Executive Officer Jeff Bezos to call the move “stupid, thoughtless, and painfully out of line with our principles.” The reluctance of tech companies to set explicit policies for when they will and will not use kill switches contributes to the fear they’ll be abused. Civil rights and free speech advocates worry that tech companies could be pressured by governments to delete software or data for political reasons. “You have someone who has absolute control over my hard drive in ways I may have never anticipated or consented to,” says Eric Goldman, director of the High Tech Law Institute at Santa Clara University’s law school in California. “If they use that power wisely, they actually make my life better. We don’t know if they use the power wisely. In fact, we may never know when they use their power at all.” Hiroshi Lockheimer, Google’s vice president of Android engineering, says the search company reserves the use of the kill switch for “really egregious, really obvious cases” of harmful content. Microsoft’s Biggs says the company has used the functionality in its smartphones only for “technical issues and content issues.” Apple declined to comment. Amazon did not respond to several messages. Like many in his profession, Kevin Mahaffey, co-founder of the San Francisco startup Lookout, which makes security software for smartphones, expresses mixed emotions about the emergence of kill switches. “The remote removal tools are very much a response to the mistakes of the PC era,” he says. “Whether or not it’s an overcorrection, I think history will tell us. It can be done right, but we as an industry need to tread carefully. It’s easy to imagine several dystopian futures that can arise from this.” One supporter is Janne Kytömäki, the Finn who discovered the Android malware outbreak. He says Google did the right thing by deleting the malware without users’ permission. “What was the alternative?” he says. “Leave those apps installed on 200,000 people’s mobiles? This is something that had to be done.” [I][B]The bottom line:[/B] Kill switches can improve computer security, but they worry privacy and free speech advocates.[/I] [EMAIL="jrobertson40@bloomberg.net"]Robertson[/EMAIL] is a reporter for Bloomberg News in San Francisco.
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[B][url]http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/the-kill-switch-comes-to-the-pc-02162012.html[/url][/B]
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[URL="http://gizmodo.com/5889001/windows-8-consumer-preview-hands-on-no-going-back"]I'm intrigued[/URL].
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it's going to be some time before we really see windows 8 taking off. I feel trying to make this massive leap of faith by turning their daily bread and butter OS into such a drastic migration towards the tablet platform could very well fire back in their face. heck just having compatibility issues for drivers on Vista resulted in the company taking so much flack, I don't know how this will go down for the PC world.
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OS X is also headed that way, ie, a unified OS. TBH not a big fan of OS X Mountain Lion. Windows 8 might be on the right track with a 'fresh' slate. On the whole it's quite applaudable for MS to take such a leap, it's usually Apple that's quite ruthless about moving forward and throwing backward-compatibility/whatever to the wind.
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[URL]http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows-8/download[/URL]
preview is out now
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I put the preview on a tablet we have at work and after getting used to it i must admit that is a lot better than i imagined before i tried it. Bit of a pain having the desktop with the touch side of things as they have removed the start button, so seems pointless having it in there at all. As for performance, very good imo, scrolling between apps/screens is very smooth, no lag and no notorious BSOD (if its still that colour).