Any of you running windows XP via Boot Camp or Parallels? I'm wondering how it runs with 1 GB of RAM. With parallels, how does it work if you have programs open in both OSs at the same time?

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what chip set do you have Toasty?

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[QUOTE=asdf_admin;462066]what chip set do you have Toasty?[/QUOTE]

well, I have no chip set right now at all. I was planning on buying either a MacBook or a MacBook Pro, and was trying to figure out if I needed to upgrade to 2 GB or RAM or not, or if 1 was sufficient...

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I know with bootcamp you can only run one OS at time. So if you want to swap you need to reboot. With parallel ... I am not exactly sure. If you are buying an apple ... please wait Toasty. I have been following macrumors and there are updates coming ... probably when leopard comes out. I am also in the market for a Macbook or Mac Pro.

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[QUOTE=asdf_admin;462113]I know with bootcamp you can only run one OS at time. So if you want to swap you need to reboot. With parallel ... I am not exactly sure. If you are buying an apple ... please wait Toasty. I have been following macrumors and there are updates coming ... probably when leopard comes out. I am also in the market for a Macbook or Mac Pro.[/QUOTE]

Thanks man. Definitely waiting for Leopard -- I've been reading up on it, too, and it looks like it ought to be due in the next few weeks.

Parallels allows you to run both at the same time -- a guy was sitting next to me at a meeting had it and was flipping back and forth. I was stoked, b/c I've always been a mac guy, but the realities of my job are that I need to be able to run Windows-based applications. Looks like now I can have both, just trying to figure out if I can get away with 1 GB or RAM or if I need 2.

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^^ Holy shit so you have 2 windows and you just switch back and forth between Mac and Windows ??

Screw PC, I'm DEFINITELY moving to Mac next year.

BTW do you have a link for this program / app Toasty ?

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Here's the link:

[url]http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/[/url]

Here's a review, too:

[url]http://www.macworld.com/2006/06/reviews/parallels/index.php[/url]

Big pimpin', seriously...

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Thx the links. I think I will be getting the 15" mac book pro for christmas.

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Supposedly in the next version of Parallels they will be giving partial 3D support as well...

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[QUOTE=Caley Martin;462317]Supposedly in the next version of Parallels they will be giving partial 3D support as well...[/QUOTE]

right on -- although I'm not really a gamer and I don't use CAD, so it probably wouldn't make much difference to me, right?

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I run windows on my mac via Boot camp and it works just fine (play lots of games, half life, doom 3, etc..), I think 1gb is more than enough, Parllels is good if your not running big programs, if so its better to run them with boot camp.

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Oh and like asdf said if your going mac wait until leopard comes out

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[URL]http://www.macrumors.com/[/URL]

this is really the cool link for apple products. based on history and model release it kinda gives you a base for when new models will come out. I am pretty sure when Leopard rolls out apple will update their product line. This something constant they do.

link: http://guides.macrumors.com/Buyer's_Guide_(time-ordered)

In regards to 1 gig or 2 gig ... tough call. I would tell you to go with 2 gig just because the way they have the slots available in a mac book/mac book pro. If you are going with a mac pro I would not be concerned just because you have more slots aval and you can buy more memory.

There is a method to their madness, there are two slots on the Macbook, so if you go with 1 gig make sure it is a 1 gig stick, sometimes apple will toss in 2 x 512 to give you the 1 gig. Now when you want to upgrade to 2 gig you have to buy all new memory and you can not expand with the current that you all ready have. so be very careful in your selection. I believe the mac books come in the 1 gig stick. the mac pros come in 2 x 512, but they have many slots aval so you can expand on the with just buying more 512. so pick your battle carefully.:lol:

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Just go with 2GB. It's not like it's gonna hurt you to be prepared. Ha ha.

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[quote=toasty;462354]right on -- although I'm not really a gamer and I don't use CAD, so it probably wouldn't make much difference to me, right?[/quote]

I went with a MBP 17" when the Core 2 Duo's were rolled. They run cooler and it performs great.

I run Parallels regularly with 2 GB of RAM. I think you should go 2 GB. The reason is this - when you run Parallels the config asks you how much RAM to allocate to the windows virtual machine. If you imagine your Windows machine running on X amount of RAM - you want to make sure it has that much to entertain itself.

I allocate between 900MB and 1GB of RAM to the Parallels and Windows performs fine. I run two XP boxes, and a Vista Parallels. Never run them all at the same time, as I'm sure performance would suffer.

On one of the XP I do video editing withy Sony Vegas. Works awesome. I have a LaCie firewire 800 drive that holds my content, which I share right from the mac through Parallels.

On another XP I do software development with visual studio 2005 and sql server 2005. Works awesome.

On the Vista box, I haven't decked it out yet and moved there for dev, but it runs Office 2007 and general stuff. You don't get the Aero interface on Vista (but may if Parallels gets the 3D stuff going, since it needs directX.)

to be clear, Sony Vegas doesn't need DirectX, and video playback is perfectly fine. However, any software (games, but some other stuff) that requires DirectX may not run. There is a very minimal DirectX emulation on the Parallels VM, but like the full-on DirectX 9/10, etc. will not have any 3D acceleration.

The MBP 17" w/ 2GB RAM works awesome, and is a productive powerhouse for me.

I'm looking forward to Parallels supporting the 3D acceleration, as well as multi-core support. Right now, your Parallels VM would run on 1 core of your box.

You know, waiting for Leopard to avoid the upgrade cost may be worth it. I'm guessing Apple will release new hardware. However, if you look at what's available in hardware - Intel hasn't released any new chips - no super-new-tiny hard drives are available... so really other than some lip-gloss, I'm not quite sure what would come out in the MBP range.

I've heard new ipods... new Mac Pro's (the Mac desktop models)... and possibly new MacBooks.

I'm guessing the MBP will not have a major new release with Leopard, and even if they do, will be just some fine-tuning.

I'm happy with my second-gen Intel MBP running the Core 2 Duo (Merom) and it works great.

I only say all that because if you run it on a MacBook, make sure to pull up that matrix/table that Apple has comparing all their products. The MacBook has on-board video - the MBP has a dedicated ATI X1300 video card... and so on. You get better expandability. I wanted to make sure I had flexibility long-term.

No doubt, you'll not regret your choice.

Kamal, you should move. I've read your other posts and note that you're an avid PC guy. The Mac at least on the laptop front is awesome. I still can't say I'd go there with my desktop though... it's just too pricey and you can custom-build a PC for cheaper.

I love it.

Enjoy.

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well said, though if I was to get the 17" MBP,it's still nearly a grand more than any 17" Dual Core Notebook PC you'd get...

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here is also a good place to look for a reduction in cost. they are refurb but still carry the year warranty. if i trust any company, it will be apple.

[URL]http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/6124001/wo/OM4inhcFc2re20nRZB62us60LBW/2.0.0.21.1.0.8.7.1.0.1.1[/URL]

it updates at least a couple times a week. so not too bad. ;)

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I am also stuck between mac pro & macbook pro. I kinda like the desktop overall, but having all that 64 portable firing power is pretty nice.

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Here is some more news.

The new Xeon L5320 and L5310 processors consume only 12.5 watts of electricity per core, using 35-60% less power than the existing quad-core Xeons.The L5320 operates at 1.86 GHz and the L5310 at 1.60 GHz. They both feature 8M bytes of on-die cache for faster memory data communication. In quantities of 1,000 units, the L5320 is priced at US$519 and the L5310 at $455. No word on whether or not Apple is planning on using the newest Quad-core processors in upcoming Macs, despite [URL="http://www.macrumors.com/2006/10/25/8-core-mac-pro-with-clovertown-in-november/"]persistent rumors[/URL] of Apple introducing a 8-Core Mac Pro. These new processors, however, feature a slower clock speed (1.60GHz, 1.86GHz) than the existing less power-efficient (2.66GHz) Clovertown Quad-core processors.

For readers interested in the top end of performance, [URL="http://www.macrumors.com/c.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.com.com%2FIntel%252C%2BAMD%2Bvie%2Bfor%2Bserver%2Battention%2F2100-1006_3-6163315.html&t=1174184117"]Intel revealed last week[/URL] that later this year, they will be releasing a higher end 3.0GHz version of its Quad-core Xeon for customers who aren't concerned with power consumption.

The current 2.66GHz Quad-cores or these upcoming high end chips appear to be the most likely candidates for future 8-Core Mac Pro models, as power consumption is not a major consideration for Apple's high end desktop machines.

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yes some more.

when searching for "Mac" in the UK Apple Store, the listing for the Mac Pro is: [B]Mac Pro[/B] Now quad-core or [B]8-core[/B] processing power. Configure yours today.

Rumors that Apple would incorporate two of Intel's Quad-core chips into a Mac Pro to produce an 8-core Mac Pro have been ongoing since [URL="http://www.macrumors.com/2006/10/25/8-core-mac-pro-with-clovertown-in-november/"]late last year[/URL].

[B]Update[/B]: Apple appears to have found it and have removed the text from their site.

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[quote=Kamal;462526]well said, though if I was to get the 17" MBP,it's still nearly a grand more than any 17" Dual Core Notebook PC you'd get...[/quote]

I have to disclose I used a student discount to get my MBP. That put it at $2500 w/o shipping.

I priced out an equally (as equal as I could get) Dell Inspiron and it was $200 less.

I just priced it out again (Dell) and came to around $2,271 with the similar features.

I compare Vista Ultimate to OSX. Plus you get the other iLife software, et. al. bundled.

I felt like $200 wasn't enough to quibble. A grand, sure. Another assumption: for a laptop, I'd rather spend a bit more for something quality that's going to last because it's going to be dragged around to who knows where. Whereas my desktop sits at home safe and sound. So, going off-name for a laptop is a bit riskier in terms of quick, reliable support. Certainly, both Dell and Apple have their support issues as well.

If you truly price out TCO, I can't find much proof that the Apple is that much more expensive than a comparable PC TCO.

Besides - you lust after brushed aluminum and the glowing white Apple on the back of the case like the rest of us. Dive in, the water's fine.

Go MBP. You're a power-user. You'll regret the MB.

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I'm also saving up/waiting to get a 15" MBP. Besides Parallel, there's also [URL="http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/"]CrossOver[/URL] which does the same thing. Not too sure about how they perform against each other though.

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Pretty certain that quad-core MBP's are coming out along with leopard annouced April 15th. Leopard is definite unless something really changes between now and then... been beta testing it for a while.

Dom, I would get a MBP but not the 17", way too big and doesnt travel well... no matter how thin they make them, it's just not a practical laptop size.

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sweet defianly gonn await till the 15th before i look into buying anything thanks for the heads up

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there is no way in hell quad core chips are coming to MacBook Pros just yet... not until 45nm is the standard and heat goes down... however, an update IS coming... more than likely with the upcoming Santa Rosa platform in May, slightly faster CPU, faster system bus, flash on board, etc etc...

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Quad core mbp? :eek:

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I was pretty close to picking up a Sony Notebook for my b'day, in fact the one I had my eye on has actually fallen $200 in price. But after this thread, I'm pretty sure I wanna dive into the world of Apple at least once to see what the fuss is all about.

15" MBP will defo be on the charts next year.

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[QUOTE=Caley Martin;463199]there is no way in hell quad core chips are coming to MacBook Pros just yet... not until 45nm is the standard and heat goes down... however, an update IS coming... more than likely with the upcoming Santa Rosa platform in May, slightly faster CPU, faster system bus, flash on board, etc etc...[/QUOTE]

Your sources are defintely speculating a hell of a lot less than mine... I kinda look forward to disappointing them :)

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:)

my sources are stuck up my asshole

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Mike!

Bigger is not better? :lol:

I am almost bought a G4 for 700 the other day. I cleaned around my desk, printed out the 200+ page manual and asked myself are you willing to buy this out dated technology and be happy? I said no. I like the 17 inch, but you are correct probably 15 would be nice in the sense of travel and what not. Fuck. Options. I just can not wait to see Apples new line up. Gonna be smoking whatever it is.

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LED backlit displays hopefully

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[QUOTE=asdf_admin;463291]Mike!

Bigger is not better? :lol:

I am almost bought a G4 for 700 the other day. I cleaned around my desk, printed out the 200+ page manual and asked myself are you willing to buy this out dated technology and be happy? I said no. I like the 17 inch, but you are correct probably 15 would be nice in the sense of travel and what not. Fuck. Options. I just can not wait to see Apples new line up. Gonna be smoking whatever it is.[/QUOTE]

If you already have a display for your desktop, you can just hook up your MBP to it and have dual displays when at home... and then the 17" doesn't seem so essential anymore...

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[QUOTE=Caley Martin;463271]:)

my sources are stuck up my asshole[/QUOTE]

Have you tried a bran muffin with a large coffee and a menthol ciggarette?

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^^ That's fucking hilarious :lol:

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