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Some screenshots , its coming out on the nd half of 2006
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Here's a screenshot:
[img]http://freespace.virgin.net/daniel.chard/funny/Turd.jpg[/img]
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how much of a fucking resource hog is that eye candy gonna be
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Minimum Specs: a computer you probably don't have Recommended Specs: a computer that hasn't been made yet
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:CrackUp:
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So now you get BSODs in all the graphic glory of Vista.
But seriously, Windows is a much stabler OS these days since the release of Windows 2000. When Windows XP came out, the eyecandy was an eyesore as well (and I'm still running the classic interface on my 2.4ghz/1GB ram/ATI 9600 pro machine)), but they can be turned off. I assume Vista can be tweaked to perform comfortably.
And bitch as you may, most people will [I]still[/I] be using Windows.
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guess i'll wait til 2007 to buy a new computer when they'll be cheaper. :( cant wait to dabble in the vista cruiser baby! cos if its anything like XP (stoner friendly) then i am sure to like it.
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word on the street is the current beta was scrapped completely... OSX86 wont be long in the coming though, :)
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hey i use windows at home and office and dont have any problems ..later on i will get a mac for music production ..but for now im satisfied...
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[quote=remoh]hey i use windows at home and office and dont have any problems ..later on i will get a mac for music production ..but for now im satisfied...[/quote]
Seriously, I don't find the need for a new OS. I think windows xp works just fine I think its more of a marketing thing because it does help promote the need for new hardware. Micro$soft will also find a way to profit off us.
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I'll considering investing into Vista when they have the new file system and database ready (which wont come into effect for the next year at least)
but yea that OSX86 sounds pretty delicious
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[quote=johnson3161]Seriously, I don't find the need for a new OS. I think windows xp works just fine I think its more of a marketing thing because it does help promote the need for new hardware. Micro$soft will also find a way to profit off us.[/quote]
Sad thing is that we don't have a choice. Just like it happened with Windows 95, 98 and 98 SE, Microsoft will sooner or later stop to support it (for private customers who don't pay them for support) so everybody needs their new OS..I am pretty happy with XP as well..if you know the security Holes and the report functions and how to disable them, it?s a very stable OS and that?s what counts in the end.
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osx86 will work on your existing machines, providing that they aren't ancient, so no need for new hardware....
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should be called shitsa not vista....
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in the first link, open the second picture, notice that the user is browsing porn.
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That is an IM window, not porn.
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[quote=viceroy]should be called shitsa not vista....[/quote] Oh TAKE THAT microsoft
I think it looks cool. Hopefully I can find a beta and see what its all about.
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[FONT=Tahoma]from the screen shots it doesn't look too different from what i'm running right now. other than that analogue clock. is that what the future is coming too... lets recreate old stuff in new packaging. [/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma]i hope there is more to it than that.[/FONT]
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what are you running now ? i.e. desktop skin to make yours look like that ?
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Same shity stuff I'm caught in already
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OSX86 really got me excited when Apple announced the switch to x86. But, even though someone will hack it, it's unfortunate that I don't think Apple will push it as a product. And the thing is - for an OS. I want something legal, and stable. Especially with all the activation crap these days - circumvention comes and goes, but you want your OS just to be there, not dependant on some hack.
At any rate - from what MS demonstrated at their PDC (I wasn't there, but have kept up on the videos and stuff coming out of it as I develop for the platform) - and it looks like a SWEET interface. OSX is still really nice - but there are some aspects of the UI that I don't think I'd be able to get used to - just how things minimize and switch tasks, etc. And the whole one-button mouse thing, that's just sick. I want multiple buttons for richer functionality.
Vista with the new Aero interface and "glass-like" windows is a bit beyond where OSX is right now, and I think by the time they release it, it'll be pretty slick. They'll build a lot of wow in the product - but what they are really focusing on is actually building the tools so that any developer or company can build into it - so there will be even more wows in the future as people extend and develop onto it.
Personally, I think MS is taking the whole Apple and Linux desktop fronts as a major threat, and they know they have to get this right. I think they'll at least pull it off -- BUT, I am a bit hesitant to say they'll blow my mind.
Although the stuff does look really cool, and I'm excited to see what kinds of new applications and stuff can come out on it.
As Encryption said, I am also looking forward to the file system DB (WinFS), and am actually disappointed that they are not going to include that in the base release.
But if you develop on the platform, or even web based stuff - I think MS is going to be coming out with some pretty compelling stuff that will demonstrate to people they are serious about staying in the market and staying in their monopoly position. :)
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[QUOTE=TomTom]Sad thing is that we don't have a choice. Just like it happened with Windows 95, 98 and 98 SE, Microsoft will sooner or later stop to support it (for private customers who don't pay them for support) so everybody needs their new OS..I am pretty happy with XP as well..if you know the security Holes and the report functions and how to disable them, it?s a very stable OS and that?s what counts in the end.[/QUOTE]
TomTom Microsoft still offer support for Windows 98 through the normal means of technical support that Microsoft offers, same as the current version of windows.
I think it's pretty damn good that they are still supporting a 7 year old operating system, and will continue to do so for at least another year. There's no chance in hell some other software companies would support a 7 year old version of their software. Microsoft realised how widespread the use of Windows 98 is and extended the support life cycle for it.
While I'm a little skeptical about this whole DBFS thing, I'm still curious to check it out, but I get the feeling we're moving the way where you wont know an exact location of your files, which kinda feels strange to me.
Also, from what I hear there's some exciting developments to help make it a more secure os. Stuff which should make things quite harder for viruses to do their work.
I can't believe people are bitching about them developing a new os?!? You guys really are crazy. They finally nailed it when they released XP. It's a bloody stable os and it should be no different for Vista. You don't have to whine about having to upgrade. You can keep using XP if you really want to, hey, you've probably got 7 years of support on it left anyway!
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Hey Futura,
As of early next year mac's will be made with intel processors, therefore an OSX that doesnt have a hardware block to hack through, rather an OS that will run on almost any hardware clone, or Apple built (no more power PC's or a "G6") so I dont think you need to worry about not being able to have a sturdy OS due to cracks or code that will "theoreticaly " emulate the hardware required for stability.
I don't forsee Apple pushing it's "OSX86" on all PC users in an aggressive manner at first, it would kill the hardware market for people yet to switch over from windows machines (as we call them @ work). It is already working quite stably in its hacked form with one semi-important-but-able to be worked-around non-recognition of the ethernet card and wireless cards, but firewire shared internet works. I know how much apple is aware of the hacks that continue to work, and save for the machines that arent net connected running the hack, they would have already nipped it in the bud if they didnt want it to exist.
At any rate, there is a large number of people who dont want to and never will switch-over. I have seen people who I know for a fact would benefit amazingly by owning a mac be stubborn and stuck to their pc's, which they complain about having to fix or debug all the time. The reasons I hear people use to this day about why they "can't" have a mac because they need a pc for work are almost always misfounded. Unless you do AutoCAD or just plain old number crunching/accounting based stuff, in which case go for what is best for the project.
Back in OS9 days I was a big WINDOWS (not MS in genreal) cheerleader/user and thought macs were just dumb and boring/limited. But, as the drawbacks vanished and the OS became glamorous in an instant, AND I LEARNED THAT A MAC WONT EXPLODE WITH A 2 button or more mouse attached, nor was it a problem having to give-up using any windows only applications.
It is also pretty fuckin nice to be reminded that worrying about viruses or system files fucking up from installs and uninstalls and improper uninstalls is something I can virtually ignore and spend more time using my machine and not fixing or configuring it. I used windows for 11 years and then OSX for 3 or so, and I am now a computer technician. Its so much more lovely to troubleshoot a problem on an OS and applications that were all built around a core concept and sturdy base, as they are very stable, and relatively consistent in their frameworks closely resembling eachother.... so even with software I may have never used before, I can have a very good chance of isolating what the cause and exact problem are quickly, (save for MS Office and its pathetic obsession with putting lots of ugly fonts in the wrong places without notification othen (cause it wont even open as an application without all the specific microsoft required fonts installed as well (which is does in the background and in folders you would not normally have anything change automatically EVER.... )
Can anyone tell me why word processing just got stuck at a certain point in its progressing and word has been the same, bland, horribly-tacky-clip-art-laden-word-processor that lacks punch graphically, sucks even at layout with it's Autoformatting all wrong.... and mac or PC either way, the layout screen is constantly a deceptive representation of what the print out will look like... it angers me.... lets make a new one together people :)
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I'd stick with Windows 2000 if I could. Still find it a much better OS than XP.
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Mike, if I had some real money to burn, I'd deffo be in for the switch....but music is priority now unfortunately. You are totally correct in your rant about windows users debugging all the fucking time. I'm one of them....although usually XP doesn't give me that much trouble at all I must say.
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[QUOTE=futura]OSX86 really got me excited when Apple announced the switch to x86. But, even though someone will hack it, it's unfortunate that I don't think Apple will push it as a product. And the thing is - for an OS. I want something legal, and stable. Especially with all the activation crap these days - circumvention comes and goes, but you want your OS just to be there, not dependant on some hack.
At any rate - from what MS demonstrated at their PDC (I wasn't there, but have kept up on the videos and stuff coming out of it as I develop for the platform) - and it looks like a SWEET interface. OSX is still really nice - but there are some aspects of the UI that I don't think I'd be able to get used to - just how things minimize and switch tasks, etc. And the whole one-button mouse thing, that's just sick. I want multiple buttons for richer functionality.
Vista with the new Aero interface and "glass-like" windows is a bit beyond where OSX is right now, and I think by the time they release it, it'll be pretty slick. They'll build a lot of wow in the product - but what they are really focusing on is actually building the tools so that any developer or company can build into it - so there will be even more wows in the future as people extend and develop onto it.
Personally, I think MS is taking the whole Apple and Linux desktop fronts as a major threat, and they know they have to get this right. I think they'll at least pull it off -- BUT, I am a bit hesitant to say they'll blow my mind.
Although the stuff does look really cool, and I'm excited to see what kinds of new applications and stuff can come out on it.
As Encryption said, I am also looking forward to the file system DB (WinFS), and am actually disappointed that they are not going to include that in the base release.
But if you develop on the platform, or even web based stuff - I think MS is going to be coming out with some pretty compelling stuff that will demonstrate to people they are serious about staying in the market and staying in their monopoly position. :)[/QUOTE]
You can use multi button mice with Mac OS X btw...
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[QUOTE=SyntaxTerror]TomTom Microsoft still offer support for Windows 98 through the normal means of technical support that Microsoft offers, same as the current version of windows.
I think it's pretty damn good that they are still supporting a 7 year old operating system, and will continue to do so for at least another year. There's no chance in hell some other software companies would support a 7 year old version of their software. Microsoft realised how widespread the use of Windows 98 is and extended the support life cycle for it.[/QUOTE] when'd they do that? NT has been decommissioned for a few years now, I thought...
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Mike- the x86 OS will be limited to running on Mac hardware, likely through a proproietary BIOS. Right now its running because of developer editions. When they finalize the product it will only run on thier machines. Secondly they would prefer to keep it this way since having only a small amount of device, modems, nics etc keeps the product stable. Its one of the reasons MS can be so unstable, it supports x100's more hardware.
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pickle - Yes NT is an obsolete product but 98 isn't. Unless as was stated earlier your company has a support contract with MS which includes additional support in NT.
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for the record that was a p3 733mhz running that... with 128 mb of ram...
something is wrong, it is not a resource hog!
check his swap file pics as well...
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*nix gui > *
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i will deffo place my bets on Google OS as my next 'windows' ! good work they done with Gtalk, also best search engine, email server.. [url]http://digi.it.sohu.com/20050904/n240337911.shtml[/url] (page is on chinese!)
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^good luck Google... don't think you have a chance on this one
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I don't think also there are going to have much of luck but Gates said google is the biggest threat microsoft has.
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Mike, Nice comments. I didn't mean to come across as anti-mac by any means as I really enjoy using them.
And, I know a 3 button mouse will work, but I hadn't heard you could customize the buttons to do various things - and it certainly doesn't come standard, which is a bit of a bummer when Apple really wants to sell you the whole package - which, is traditionally fairly over-priced from what I've been able to observe.
I do think MS is going to make a lot of forward leaps with Vista, especially in the hardware stability layer like someone else mentioned - this is the primary cause of most instability on Windows systems.
I think another issue people tend to minimize is the sheer mass of installed base that Windows has. It's going to get lambasted with so many people using it. Mac's have a much smaller base - AND they tend to be fairly technically literate (I'm generalizing, I know).
For instance, in the company where I work (in the IS department), I would say that 99% of our support issues are not really windows stability issues. They are simply dumb users not understanding what is going on. I don't think that is a Windows problem, I think it is a training problem (which is a corporate problem). People do stupid things with the machines, but they don't typically bring down windows (XP in our case), but typically just run into weirdo issues.
In terms of the push forward to Vista, Microsoft is obviously heeding customer feedback and making it a product that consumers want. All OS's have been evolving over time, just like Mac OS8 wasn't OSX. Windows 95 wasn't XP.
I'm hoping to Vista being a platform that is desirable to be on, and that consumers can finally sit back and say, "Hmm, that's kinda cool - Microsoft actually did it." -- I am not quite sure MS will exceed user expectations - but, I do think that they'll at least "get it" and give users something that they can actually be happy works and is more stable than ever before.
Another side-point about moving to Mac - although some of us would like to have that option - in reality it isn't all about big-name vendor software either. In most corporate worlds, you have tons of in-house developed code - along with line-of-business applications that are typically Windows based - and very focused on a certain type of business. (Like you mentioned with Accounting software). I work in healthcare, and there a ton of products out there that you can buy that does patient-related stuff, that you'd never see on any store shelf (and you'd never want to pay for it either) - but it helps us do our job.
In that regard, I am better off rallying for Bill Gates on this one and hoping he gets Vista right, than complain further and wish I could switch to Mac. At least in this position, I won't have that luxury.
Good discussion, and good points.
I do hope that there would be an Apple approved way of running at least a dual-boot scenario on their new Intel hardware. I would hate to have two different Intel boxes just to run Mac vs. PC.
Which reminds me - what about Palladium? Maybe Microsoft will go the same route as Apple - and you'll have to buy an Intel setup with a BIOS that supports both mac and windows. Palladium is Microsoft's whole DRM security thing where you won't even be able to work with content that hasn't been decrypted down at the hardware levels...
Cuz I'd hate to have to make my next PC purchase and think, "Oh I have to buy one of those new Intel such-and-such that is Mac approved..." - because then MS (or someone else) will follow-suite, and the whole Intel thing will become fragmented based on what OS you run...
That's just speculation....