i should imagine this question has been asked many times but i'm new so indulge me. in england yesterday they successfully brought another 20 prosecutions against music sharers and because they won em all and took a shedload in fines . the counterfiet squad said they will be stepping up operations to try and get more and more ppl . what i want to know ( techies please respond) what type of peer to peer is safe or which progs can't they get ure i.s.p. from . srry for reposting this topic if it's been up a 100 times b4 if we got any legal eagles or ppl in the know what kinda music is it safe to share

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How safe is it to rob a bank???

Depends if your sloppy and get caught!

How safe is it to put your wang in an oven?

Depends if it's on Bake or Broil.

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i would now welcome a reply from an intelligent person

i feel pretty safe downloading livesets w/P2P, but thats all i download. i was talking to my ISP one day and the ldy asked me if I was using bit torrent because of all the uploads from my end :shock:

(i know it sound hypocritical but) i'm kinda glad they are cracking down on people. i hate people who treat music like trash and just whore it around on the net.

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[quote=bart_smastard]i would now welcome a reply from an intelligent person[/quote]

Well i guess you pretty much answer your own question - 20 people got fined. No form of data encryption is truly safe, so its always a risk.

but of course it would be no good to list the sources I think are safer here would it? :lol:

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2 P or not 2 P that is the question. :toilet:

i would say P is safe 2 P. if you are peeing blood or other liquids I would consult a physician.

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what i am trying to ask is a few things i have heard there are some sites that use servers in countries that don't comply with international law so they don't go giving out i.s.p. addresses also on slsk ( i have posted this on slsk forum so i won't waste ure time ) can ure i.s.p.a. be obtained through someone on there . and is it main labels like sony ect.ec.t that are doing the searching for sharers so i keep away from mainstream music in shares. and finnaly i been told there are some i.s.p.'s that can rotate ure i.s.p. address

So what's the question?

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choose from one of the four ...gimp .... the world realy is infested with idiots

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GOOD ONE!!

Now show me one question mark in any of your posts.

Grammar Nazi-ing aside, Soulseek has been named before in a few cases, but for mainstream-type music. If you don't share mainstream and/or big copyright music, you're pretty much in the clear. Smaller DJs, musicians, groups, etc. actually welcome people sharing their music on P2P so they can get their name out.

Now get your melodrama out of here.

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ahhh an american .. forgot i have to say question b4 i ask one .. we can put the pieces together in england with out having T O S P E L L it out to one another .. mjdub . dub = without words ..try living up to ure name and keep it shut

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Nice job insulting people who give you advice and input.

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i'm still welcoming intelligent replies .. some ppl need not respond :roll:

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As some have mentioned above your most likely ok if you are downloading live sets or DJ sets. As long as the artists whos tracks are being played are not part of RIAA. Most independant labels probably do care that their tracks are being passed around but don't pursue it like members of RIAA do.

As to P2P, for the most part your never safe. With the Azureus BT client you can get the Safepeer plugin which blacklists known RIAA systems but its still not 100%. The other option you have is to use a system such as I2P which is a truly anonymous system which protects your identity, though last time I tried it is was too slow to use realistically, although that was a while ago things may have gotten better. Tor might be a better option. I haven't had a chance to look into this but it looks like it might offer some identity protection.

If you do decide to live on the edge I suggest the following:

1. If you download something and you like it go and buy it otherwise delete it, because its the right thing to do and also you may have a leg to stand on if you get in trouble.
2. Setup a wireless home network which allows public access to your internet connection. You can use segregate the public area from your private ones by using vlans. IANAL but again this may offer you an out if you get in trouble since anyone could have been on your network and [i]they[/i] won't be able to identify your MAC address, only your privately assigned IP.

A bit unethical but an option none the less is to use a yogi antenna to grab a wireless signal from one of you neighbors and use their connection for file sharing. Laws vary from state to state in terms of using an open connection. Some its perfectly legal to use an unsecured connection to connect to the internet, others its not. Google pringles antenna or cantenna for more information on this. In my neighborhood alone theres 7 wireless networks only 2 of them are secured (mine included). My latop on occasion will wander onto my neighbors network by accident (without the help of any additional antennas). If you going this route I highly suggest getting a Linksys G series router and Sveasoft's firmware since you can boost transmit power and also throw the router into client mode. Of course all this is going to take some work on your part.

bart, if you download a file from someone via P2P, the RIAA can find your address. seriously... just think about the definition of P2P: Peer-to-Peer. it basically means to connect directly to another person without the use of a server for transferring data. Now let's think about how it works.

Imagine you're hosting a shitload of music for people to download. Someone from the RIAA searches on Soulseek for a Metallica track, which you have. When they double-click the file to request the file, the following process happens: [list=1][]their computer opens a port and listens for traffic on it. []sends your computer a notice via the server that you want to download the file. this notice is comprised of the file they want to download, their IP address, and the port that has been opened []your computer receives their request via the server []your computer opens a new outgoing port []your computer connects directly to the person requesting the file (here's where the P2P comes in) by using the IP address and port specified []the file transfer begins[/list] once the file transfer begins, you're basically fucked. try this... go to a MS-DOS command prompt and type [b]NETSTAT[/b]. you'll see a list of all ports on your computer, what remote address is bound to it, and the status of the port. finding someone's IP address can be done within minutes thanks to P2P networks:[list=1][]Open Soulseek []Go to a command prompt []Type NETSTAT []Start a download from someone in soulseek []type NETSTAT again []look for the IP address that wasn't in the first list[/list] From there, it's cake. just take the ip address and do a reverse whois on it with pages such as [url]http://dnsstuff.com[/url]. By using this process, I just got beanz's IP address, found that his ISP is Comcast in Los Angeles, CA (Corona, CA to be exact), and that I can contact +1-856-317-7272 with any network/policy abuse situations. With this information I can contact Comcast, give them a date, a time, and an IP address, and they will be required to cooperate with the law by providing which of their customers had that IP address at that time, which leads straight to which person was hosting illegal music.

The same process can be done to those trying to download from you, as well... this shows that anybody on any computer anywhere can find anybody with minimal tools. I don't work for the RIAA/Government, but I think it's safe to assume their tools are more powerful than those that I just showed you... so no, P2P isn't safe. Downloading from anywhere on the Internet isn't safe. The only "safe" thing you can do is not share a fuckload of music with people you don't know, and definitely don't make copyrighted music available to the public.

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[quote=bart_smastard]i'm still welcoming intelligent replies .. some ppl need not respond :roll:[/quote]

What is the deal with the abrasive attitude?

Get PeerGuardian: [url]http://methlabs.org/projects/[/url]

And if your client allows it, wear a proxy...

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safe

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thanks for replies guys much appreciated .. decided to just share dj sets and vinyls from now .. though my user list will still b able to access everything but mainstream music ..once again thanks

mjdu#b ( sure there is an "m" missing from that name ) bing the exception

You're adopted and your parents never loved you. :Bingo:

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[quote=bart_smastard]decided to just share dj sets and vinyls from now .. [/quote] vinyls are copyrighted material

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yeah but if i don't share vinyls i don't recieve em . then i wouldn't know what to buy

why'd you start this debate if you weren't going to listen to any of the advise supplied?

:roll:

[quote=picklemonkey] The same process can be done to those trying to download from you, as well... this shows that anybody on any computer anywhere can find anybody with minimal tools. I don't work for the RIAA/Government, but I think it's safe to assume their tools are more powerful than those that I just showed you... so no, P2P isn't safe. Downloading from anywhere on the Internet isn't safe. The only "safe" thing you can do is not share a fuckload of music with people you don't know, and definitely don't make copyrighted music available to the public.[/quote]

scary stuff :|

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i took some advice and decided not to share stuff that can get me into too trouble ( vinyls bing the exception) and also i installed peer gaurdian but it is only good at detecting known suspicious i.s.p.a.'s still got 11,000 music files shared on soulseek but been a bit more careful with what iv'e shared. i asked the question cos u hear rumours of failproof ways and the almost failproof ones that were posted sounded a lil beyond my technical understanding